What is a savior? If we take the example of Jesus, a savior is someone who defends the weak from the powerful. In other words, someone who defends people from other people.
But, in A Song of Ice & Fire, the long awaited savior will be fighting for ALL of humanity -- the oppressed and their oppressors -- the innocent and the guilty -- everyone.
And herein lies the confusion. Many people wrongly assume Dany to be the savior because she liberated the Slaver Cities. But, as opposed to the Roman world in which Jesus lived, tyrannical slavers are not the enemy. They're actually part of "humanity" that the savior must save.
Because, that's the thing about being the "savior of all humanity". You have to save them all -- good and bad. And, I get the impression, Dany wouldn't sacrifice a single silver hair on her head, let alone her precious dragons (read: weapons of mass destruction), to save the slavers. And, somehow, I can't imagine Jon Snow rescuing Ramsay Bolton from the apocalypse. Nor can I see Stannis fighting to protect someone like Joffrey (or anyone who's wronged him, or broken the law, for that matter).
But, before we get any deeper into that, I should probably backtrack a little. Because, if you've read my previous posts, you may have noticed that I don't think the Long Night went down quite like it's been described in the histories. In fact, I think the legend of Azor Ahai (as the Red Priests know it), is completely bunk -- a ruse put on by the Children of the Forest. Yet, for some odd reason, I still think Jaime Lannister is Azor Ahai. And, not only do I think that, but I think the prophecy has ALREADY been fulfilled. How can that be?
Firstly, if GRRM is indeed adhering to the Ragnarök mythology, then Jaime is the only possible candidate for "Azor Ahai". Why is that? Because he represents Tyr -- the one-handed god of war -- the champion of mankind, who in the earliest tellings of Ragnarök, was said to prevail over Fenrir in his role as "the Mighty One" (granted, we don't know for certain if Tyr is the "Mighty One" referred to in the earlier poems that have been passed down, but most scholars agree that he is). If you're a casual observer of Norse mythology, you probably think it strange that the two most well-known gods from the mythology -- Odin & Thor -- were later additions. In all likelihood, they were probably real kings who ruled in the earliest times, and were only deified and mythologized much later in history. Because, it is Tyr who stood at the head of the pantheon in the earliest times. His name even means "god" or "glory", and he is equivalent to Indo-European Dyeus -- the god from which Zeus and Jupiter evolved. And, given the early exits for both Aerys (Odin) and Robert Baratheon (Thor) from ASOIAF, I'm under the impression GRRM is sticking to these earlier tellings of Ragnarök, before Odin & Thor came into prominence.
Secondly, prophecies aren't always so straightforward in the series. We've seen prophecies that have been fulfilled (i.e. the Sea Comes to Winterfell), and prophecies that haven't been (i.e. the Stallion Who Mounts the World). Some prophecies are vague, (i.e. Patchface), whereas some are incredibly detailed (i.e. House of the Undying). But more importantly, some prophecies don't happen quite the way you expect them to. They are self-fulfilling. And this is the case with the Azor Ahai prophecy.
"When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt".
People who want to take that literally often try to connect Jon Snow, or Daenerys, or even Stannis to this prophecy. The red star is obviously the red comet, in their eyes, and smoke & salt are either related to the island of Dragonstone, or the storeroom in which Jon Snow is killed at the end of A Dance with Dragons. But they're looking at it the way GRRM wants them to -- the wrong way.
The "red star" is what throws most people off the trail, right from the get-go. It has to be the red comet that appears in the sky after Dany's dragons hatch. Right? Uh... no. Firstly, that's way too easy. Secondly, a comet is not a star. It's not even in the same ballpark. A star is a sun. Not a comet.
So, let's take a look at the House sigils. Who has the red star? If you answered House Martell, you are correct. House Martell of Sunspear: a red sun pierced by a golden spear. Bingo.
Ok. So, if the prophecy is talking about an actual person, then we need to find a Martell who "bleeds"... and there are several. Elia Martell met her demise at the hands of Gregor Clegane and Amory Lorch during Robert's Rebellion. And Quentyn Martell recently got scorched by Dany's dragons. Not to mention, Doran Martell seems to have an especially nasty case of gout. Could the prophecy be referring to any of them? Possibly. But there is another Martell who "bleeds" in the books, and provides us with a much better match -- Oberyn Martell, the Red Viper.
But, how does his death affect the story? What's the significance? When Oberyn is killed in trial-by-combat by the Mountain, Tyrion (Jaime's half-brother) is condemned to death -- which leads Jaime to free him from prison and come clean to him about his "wife". Hurt by this revelation, Tyrion calls Jaime a cuckold in response (i.e. "[Cersei's] fucking Lancel, and Osmund Kettleblack, and probably Moon Boy too" --paraphrasing), before he murders Tywin & Shae. This is linked to the Lokasenna -- a story in which Loki crashes one of Odin's parties, and insults the guests (i.e. the gods), accusing Tyr of cuckoldry (even though we're not exactly sure who Tyr's wife was).
Well then. It looks like Oberyn has led us to something here in regards to Jaime. So, let's go ahead and plug his name into the prophecy:
"When Oberyn Martell dies and the darkness gathers, Azor Azor shall be born again amidst smoke and salt".
Now, the next clue is "darkness gathers". Most everyone assumes this is referring to the Others/White Walkers, who seem to be amassing the forces of darkness on the other side of the Wall. But, since I think it's the Children who are driving the story, rather than the Others, that simply cannot be. Because, just as dragons represent fire in the Song of Ice & Fire, the Others represent ice -- not darkness. It's Bran who represents darkness, and Jaime the light.
These roles are hinted at in both A Dance with Dragons and A Game of Thrones:
From ADwD: "The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong" --Bloodraven to Bran.
Clearly, that is a pretty strong indication of what "the darkness gathers" is referring to (i.e. Bran finding the Three-Eyed Crow).
And, as for Jaime's role as light, I'll refer to Bran's vision from AGoT: "He saw his father pleading with the king, his face etched with grief. He saw Sansa crying herself to sleep at night, and he saw Arya watching in silence and holding her secrets hard in her heart. There were shadows all around them. One shadow was as dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound. Another was armored like the sun, golden and beautiful. Over them both loomed a giant in armor made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood".
I believe it was Melisandre who said that shadows are a product of the light -- and the two shadows Bran sees are obviously the Hound & Jaime -- the Hound being the dark shadow, and Jaime being the one who was "golden and beautiful". We can be fairly certain the Hound now walks in the "light" of the Seven (assuming he's the monk Brienne sees on the Quiet Isle). And, given the fact that Jaime is "armored like the sun", that would imply he's the light's champion. He wasn't shining like the sun, or as bright as the sun -- he was a shadow (a product of the light) armored like the sun (dressed for war against the darkness). And since the giant who was looming over both Jaime and the Hound was in all likelihood Gregor, who represents Garmr -- Tyr's adversary in the latter tellings of Ragnarök -- that's more than likely an allusion to Jaime's role as Tyr (on a side note, I wonder if that's how GRRM plans on solving the "Odin-problem"? Give Garmr to the Hound, so Tyr can fight Fenrir?).
Another clue can be found in Jaime's dream (while sleeping on a weirwood tree) from A Storm of Swords. He's deep down in the bowels of Casterly Rock, and is accosted by his half-brother Rhaegar Targaryen, who accuses him of betrayal. Cersei also appears in the dream and calls out to Jaime, "The flames will burn so long as you live". And, given Cersei's role as Frigg, who has the power of prophecy, I'm going to go out on a limb and say she might be on to something there.
So, let's fill in the next part:
"When Oberyn Martell dies and Bran meets the Three-Eyed Crow, Azor Ahai will be born again amidst smoke and salt".
As for "Azor Ahai", I doubt the real person ever existed (perhaps he did, but that's not important). However, if humanity means to hold out against the Children, someone will have to lead them. And given the fact that Tyr was not only the primary god of the Norse pantheon for much of their history, but was also the god of war -- and the god of champions, no less -- the god of single combat -- I'm inclined to believe Jaime's going to play a major role in the upcoming battle. In ancient times, prior to the advent of Odin & Thor, the Roman writer Tacitus claimed the primary god worshipped by the Germanic tribes was Mars, who he named Mars Thringus -- or "Mars of the Thing" (FYI: a Thing was basically Norse parliament -- a governing assembly). Which goes to show that the Romans equated Tyr with Mars. And, consider, not only did Tyr & Mars symbolize war amongst mankind -- they symbolized war with the elements, and were said to "ward off hostile forces of nature" (like ice & fire, for example).
Which brings us to:
"When Oberyn Martell dies and Bran meets the Three-Eyed Crow, Jaime Lannister will be born again amidst smoke and salt".
Now, let's look at that bit about being "born again". I suppose that could be taken literally, especially since Red Priests seemingly have the ability to resurrect corpses, but, if we take it to be figurative, it essentially means "a second chance at life". And, when we look to Jaime's story, we find he was given exactly that by none other than Roose Bolton -- who spared him from execution, and freed him from imprisonment (not to mention, Jaime literally disappears from the story for the second book, and is "reborn" onto the pages for the third). So, if that's the event the prophecy is referring to, then "amidst smoke and salt" must have something to do with that scene.
What happens before Jaime is freed? He takes a steam bath with Brienne, in which he finally comes clean to her about why he killed Aerys (i.e. to save humanity). And, when he does, there is so much steam coming off the bath, he ends up passing out from the heat. Steam represents smoke. He is then invited to dinner with Roose Bolton (which, in Westerosi culture, is called "sharing the salt"), and given his life back.
Not convinced? That's where the TV show comes into play. In the scene in which Stannis and Renly parlay, many viewers were upset when Renly didn't give Stannis a peach, like he does in the books. But, if you know what to look for, the line he did utter was far more important to the overall story. When Melisandre declares that Stannis is Azor Ahai because he was reborn amidst smoke and salt, Renly asks incredulously, "What is he? A ham?"
Actually, yes he is. And, I remember thinking when he said that, "If Jaime is eating some kind of pork product at his dinner with Roose, then it's a done deal". And, lo and behold, what was Jaime eating at dinner with Roose Bolton? Yep. You guessed it. A ham (see it in there? To Brienne's left).
"When Oberyn Martell dies and Bran meets the Three-Eyed Crow, Jaime Lannister will be freed from prison after dinner and a bath".
Granted, that's pretty mundane compared to what most people think when they imagine Azor Ahai, but at the same time, it is very human. The point being -- Azor Ahai is not supernatural. He is a human savior for humankind, much the same as the Seven are human gods for humankind (what I mean by that is this -- if every human had the ability to warg, or shape shift, or raise people from the dead, the natural order would be thrown into chaos. Such sorcerous abilities as that run contrary to human nature).
But, at the same time, Jaime is far from mundane. He even says himself, "There are no men like me. Only me". He's a walking contradiction who is seemingly one of the most amoral characters in the books, while simultaneously being the most principled and rational. Consider how he got his nickname, "The Kingslayer". Whereas a guy like Ned Stark wouldn't have broken his oath -- even if it meant the death of thousands of people -- Jaime would have, and did, because he can see that culture for what it really is -- bullshit. For example, if you refer back to the Nuremberg Trials after WWII, "I was just following orders" was no excuse. It didn't matter if they swore an oath to their Führer. They were ultimately responsible for their actions. If you let others think for you -- like Ned Stark did -- and never question the orders you're given, you end up becoming something less than a man -- a drone -- a slave. And out of all the characters we've met, Jaime is seemingly the only one who has liberated himself from this medieval mentality. He doesn't repress intuition. He sees truth, and refuses to live within the confines that culture places upon him. He's his own man. But that's what so contradictory about him, because he's also totally ruthless -- which is what Azor Ahai must be -- a murderous savior -- a death-dealing Renaissance Man -- i.e. the walking contradiction that Jaime is. All that matters is the end game, and Jaime's willing to do whatever it takes to reach those ends -- even if it means murdering his own family members (which the TV show has really drummed up). He'll break his oath if it means saving thousands of people, but he'll also murder his cousin if it means escaping from prison. Sure sounds like Azor Ahai to me.
Which leads me back to Azor Ahai himself. Here we have a guy who supposedly murdered his beloved wife in order to save humanity -- and ALL of humanity at that. He didn't get to pick and choose who he wanted to save and who he didn't. He had to save everyone -- the slavers, the Joffreys, and even the Ramsay Boltons of the world. Now ask yourself, would you be willing to murder your family in order to save complete strangers? No? How about to save violent criminals? Even worse, you say? Well, Azor Ahai did exactly that (if the legend is to be believed). He sacrificed his beloved wife in order to save people he had no love for at all -- slavers & rapists included.
Which leads me to the issue of Jaime's parentage. The fact that he is Aerys' bastard has been foreshadowed countless times throughout the series (yet, most everyone is thrown off of his trail because of Jon Snow). He and Cersei are the products of the rape of Joanna Lannister. Barristan Selmy claims Aerys was infatuated with Tywin's wife, which is the real reason why Tywin resigned as Hand of the King, and ended up sacking King's Landing. That's also the reason why Ilyn Payne had his tongue cut out -- because he witnessed the event (which is also why he laughs when Jaime admits his love for Cersei to him). And, yet again, that's why Aerys went behind Tywin's back to recruit Jaime into his Kingsguard, and refused to marry Rhaegar to Cersei.
But that begs the question -- if the Targaryens married brother-to-sister, why wouldn't Aerys want Rhaegar to marry Cersei, assuming he knew Cersei was his bastard daughter? You'd have to refer back to the Dunk & Egg books for the answer. GRRM goes to great lengths to stress the point that the Targaryens were so leery of their bastard children, it almost reached the point of superstition (thanks in large part to Daemon Blackfyre). Even Egg, who is portrayed as fair-minded and enlightened, shares this irrational fear of Targ bastards (which might have something to do with why Bloodraven ended up at the Wall). And, more simply, in marrying Rhaegar to Cersei, Aerys would have had to publicly acknowledge Tywin as Cersei's father (which he knew he wasn't, I'm assuming).
And, by inducting Jaime into the Kingsguard, Aerys was not only forcing an oath out of him and keeping him close (i.e. keep your friends close, and your enemies closer), but was essentially disinheriting him, neutralizing whatever future threat he may have posed to the Iron Throne, with Targaryen blood coursing through his veins, and a Lannister army at his back.
I could dedicate an entire post to Jaime & Cersei's Targ connections, but just bear with me here for argument's sake. If Jaime really is Aerys' son, that means he didn't just murder his king to save King's Landing -- he murdered his father -- which is symmetry, given the fact that Tyrion murdered his father as well (Jaime may not have known Aerys was his father, and Tyrion may not have saved King's Landing by killing Tywin, but, at the very least, here we have a case of two half-brothers who both committed patricide). And, much like the legend of Azor Ahai, Jaime has already sacrificed family members for the "greater good". So, perhaps the forging of Lightbringer is figurative? Jaime forged Lightbringer (i.e. his indomitable will to save humanity, and courage to face those who would ridicule him for doing so) after sacrificing his own father to protect the masses.
Then again, Lightbringer could be Ice (on a side note, I've always wondered if Ice is what they called Lightbringer when the light went out -- i.e. to "ice" Lightbringer), which Jaime will use to kill Cersei or Brienne with (which could play in to Cersei's "valonqar" prophecy as well). But, I'm pretty sure the Azor Ahai prophecy has already come to pass (in a self-fulfilling kind of way), and Tyrion really is the "valonqar" (this could play into Cersei's role as Frigg as well, being that Frigg has the power of prophecy, and Cersei has always been convinced Tyrion is her "valonqar" -- not Jaime).
And, it only makes sense that Jaime & Bran will square off again in the end, given the fact that it was their conflict that set the whole story in motion (on a side note, if GRRM is mixing in other stories from the mythology as well, like he did in the case of Robert Baratheon -- i.e. Robert represents both Thor & Hoenir -- it's possible Jaime also represents the legendary hero Sigurd, in addition to Tyr. And Sigurd was famous for slaying dragons -- Fafnir in particular -- who is represented by Tyrion in ASOIAF. So, perhaps the Kingslayer will become the Dragonslayer as well?). Which leads me to the Prince Who Was Promised -- Tommen Baratheon -- the second coming of Egg (his life mirrors Aegon V's in many ways, just as Tyrion's runs parallel to Bloodraven's). When it comes down to it, the series is not about the Stark kids, or Dany's dragons. It is the story of the rise of King Tommen "the Great". Because it is King Tommen -- enlightened as he is -- who will usher in a new golden age upon the completion of Ragnarök. This has been foreshadowed on numerous occasions as well, not least of all in the "Blackwater" episode during the TV show's second season (which GRRM wrote himself, by the way). Cersei thinks the battle is lost, so she spirits Tommen away to the throne room, intent on poisoning him, to keep him out of Stannis' clutches. Tommen sits on her lap, on the Iron Throne, as Cersei readies the vial. In an attempt to calm his nerves, she tells him a story. And, in my opinion, this is what the entire story is centered on.
She first tells him that no one is going to hurt him, before claiming that stags are evil (fyi: in Norse mythology, stags eat away at and rot the World Tree Yggdrasil). She then goes on to say:
"You are a lion, my son, you mustn't be afraid. For, one day, all the beasts will bow to you. You'll be king. All the stags will bow, all the wolves will bow; the bears in the North, and the foxes of the south; all the birds in the sky, and the beasts in the sea. They will all come to you little lion, to rest a crown upon your head. The cub said, 'will I be strong and fierce like my father?'. Yes, said his mother. You'll be strong and fierce, just like your father".
This is an allusion to Tommen's role as Vidarr -- Vengeance -- the Slayer of Fenrir (which is foreshadowed in A Game of Thrones, when Tommen and Bran spar with each other on the training grounds at Winterfell). In addition to being an incarnation of Aegon V (Egg), he is a combination of Tyr, Thor and Odin all rolled into one. Tyr (Jaime) is his father. Thor (Robert Baratheon) is his namesake. And Odin (Aerys) is his grandfather. Which leads me to believe he'll survive the Last Battle (even if his father does not), since the children of the gods, and Vidarr in particular, are foretold to inherit the earth after Ragnarök. And, since Tommen is the embodiment of an enlightened ruler -- even at such a young age -- it stands to reason that he represents the dawning of a new era.
Tommen: Is Joffrey going to kill Sansa's brother?
Cersei: He might. Would you like that?
Tommen: (pauses to weigh the question) No. I don't think so.
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The "ham" did it for me. So out of place in the Stannis meeting with his brother and now to see it sitting on the table with Bolton, Jaime and Brienne is a great bit of sleuthing. You put Sherlock Holmes to shame.ReplyDelete
Does the ham comment really seem so out of place? Renly was being cheeky. It had basically the same effect of offering him a peach, to show that Renly wasn't really taking the whole thing seriously. I do agree however that it does seem to be somewhat strong evidence.Delete
in the book it was a bloody roast beef, not ham, I believeDelete
That's really funny, because it's the Ham comment that completely lost me. Hanging your theory on Ham -- which you then draw from a random detail of the backdrop from the SHOW, not even the books! -- is utterly absurd. Do you really think GRRM talked to D&D and was like "hey guys, look, do whatever you want to the storyline, but for FUCKS SAKE MAKE SURE JAIME EATS HAM."Delete
About the ham:Delete
1. The show writers know where the story is heading
2. The ham episode was written by GRRM himself
So that it is in the show doesn't make any real difference
A comet is not a star.. But steam represents smoke.. Completely nailed itDelete
This is really solid stuff. Well done.ReplyDelete
Jaime's father has already been subtly put into question in AFFC.ReplyDelete
When Jaime insists that he is his father's son, his aunt replies, "You smile like Gerion and fight like Tyg, and there's some of Kevan in you, else you would not wear that cloak... but Tyrion is Tywin's son, not you."
From a GRRM interview:ReplyDelete
The battle between good and evil is a legitimate theme for a Fantasy (or for any work of fiction, for that matter), but in real life that battle is fought chiefly in the individual human heart. Too many contemporary Fantasies take the easy way out by externalizing the struggle, so the heroic protagonists need only smite the evil minions of the dark power to win the day. And you can tell the evil minions, because they're inevitably ugly and they all wear black.
I wanted to stand much of that on its head.
In real life, the hardest aspect of the battle between good and evil is determining which is which.
Thanks for the link and quote. I think if Dorian's ragnarok parallel's turn out to be true the reader will still have their own perceptions about events/characters and hopefully the characters would have their own individual motivations propelling them. I would like it if Bloodraven became even more complex as his story is explained.Delete
I was reading about Fafnir to see if I could glean any ideas about Tyrion's arc, and was surprised to see that it's quite obviously a major source for Turin and Glaurung, as Sigurd hides in a ditch and stabs Fafnir as he crawls over him. There may well not be any parallel, but if the Fafnir story is any guide, I'm thinking Jaime's going to kill Tyrion after he retakes Casterly Rock. Sad to contemplate.ReplyDelete
Yes, you're right on. Tolkien based much of Túrin's mythology on the Völsunga Saga (though it should be said, his main inspiration came from the story of Kullervo, from Finnish mythology --i.e. the Kalevala). Same can be said for Bard & Smaug (except Bard uses a bow instead of sword, but it's the same idea).Delete
As for Casterly Rock -- that's a good call. All this business with the "Second Sons" is definitely pointing in that direction (and, I think "Second Sons" is an allusion to Jaime & Bran -- Jaime was second to Rhaegar, and Bran was second to Robb). But I'm with you -- I'm not looking forward to Jaime offing Tyrion. Then again, I'm sure it will be one of the most intense scenes in the series (assuming it does go down like that, of course). So, I guess it will be bittersweet.
That image of Sigurd stabbing up at Fafnir while lying in a ditch -- it's hard not to imagine Jaime, Tyrion, and that famous sewer system in Casterly Rock.ReplyDelete
I must say, I really like the way you've highlighted moments in the series (esp. Tommen on the throne and Jaime's ham) to make your predictions about the book's direction. Not only does it make sense, it makes the show more fun to watch as well, and makes a lot of moments like the Ned Stark/Jaime Lannister staredown at the Iron Throne seem much more portentious than just Stark vs. Lannister -- perhaps symbolic of the "real" struggle of magic vs. humanity?
Anyway, with regard to Littlefinger, I think you can use the series similarly. The show has clearly gone out of its way to make him more sinister, going so far as to have him boldly espouse the concept of "chaos as a ladder." So even though there's no textual support for it yet, I think there's a very strong chance that Littlefinger is going to be shown to have been manipulated (either knowingly or unknowingly) by Bloodraven for the purpose of undermining the world of humanity. He's certainly the most Loki-like of all the characters with whom we're really familiar. When I think of Loki, I think of a character who takes tremendous joy and pride in what he does. Is Bloodraven even capable of that at this point? And it would be a lovely piece of humiliating irony to have Littlefinger realize at the end of his scheming that he's just a pawn of an even greater cyvasse player. (Similarly, the series has gone out of its way to show Littlefinger's counterpart Varys as being very deeply opposed to magic, so I expect that to pay off eventually, too. Are there any opposing game players in Norse mythology?)
My other thought is about the Maesters' role. Before reading your Ragnarok theory, I would have said that they were a force for humanity and against magic (by killing off the dragons and suppressing magic in general in order to make the seasons more predictable), and I suppose I still think that. Where I've changed, is that before I would have said that it seems like this effort was in some sense "unnatural," and that the song of ice and fire referred to a magical resurgence that would somehow bring balance to the world, and that characters like Marwyn, Melisandre, and the Children all saw portions of this overall dynamic but not the whole thing. I would have said that it seems like the reader is being led to root for an outcome that brings some sort of "balance" and normalizes the seasons, etc. A little George Lucas-y, but okay. Whereas now, it's more a story of the Children manipulating a bunch of factions vs. the Maesters who, while despite fighting for humanity, are doing so in a blind, blundering way. Ultimately we'll wind up rooting for them, but we're going to lose some vital beautiful parts of the world in order to secure peace and prosperity -- more of a Hellboy 2 message...
When you think about, Casterly Rock does seem tailor-made for a Sigurd/Fafnir showdown (probably because it was).Delete
As for LF being one of Bloodraven's tools -- ironic, isn't it? I'm sure BR has been messing with him from day 1, especially when you consider that it was LF's actions that caused Robert & the Lannisters to make the trip to Winterfell in the first place, where Bran was defenestrated. And, if we go by what Jojen said in one of the past episodes on the TV show -- maybe Bran's fall happened for a reason? Maybe it wasn't an accident? (translation: Bloodraven engineered the whole thing).
As for the Maesters -- I may write my next post about them. But yes, I think you've basically got it right. The impression GRRM wants to give us is that sorcery is somehow natural in humankind -- which we know it's not. And, if you believe that sorcery is a.o.k, then the idea of "magic coming back in the world" doesn't seem nearly as sinister as it really is. You may even think it provides "balance", like you said. But consider the way most humans react to magic in ASOIAF -- they're either horrified or disgusted by it. And they've really played that up with Osha on the TV show. She doesn't even like talking about "black magic", let alone teaching it to Bran, and she clearly distrusts the Reeds. And, in ADwD, it's made pretty clear that the wildlings hate Varamyr Sixskins, even though they recruited him into their army. It was a sort of uneasy truce. Plus, Jon Snow himself was so freaked out by his warging abilities, he kept denying that he even could, because he knew there was something unnatural about it. Not to mention Dothraki hatred for "maegi". So, you've got to figure, there must be a reason.
As much as LF has been manipulated (and I'd love to see if there is some background tie with him perhaps spending a lot of time in the Godswoods as a youth or something?), so have the Maesters. What do they use as their communications medium? Ravens! Talk about undermining the enemy!
And, as much as Varys hates magic/warlocks, he too is BR's tool... by patronizing Dany and her dragons! He thinks by backing the Targs, he is supporting the Realm. How much more devastating could that be when he finds out the truth (if he ever does). Prediction: he'll end up being Drogon food.
Speaking of that Casterly Rock scene and the whole "Túrin-Glaurung"-fights in the depths of the Lannister castle, I'd like to throw Jaimes dream into the discussion (not knowing, if anyone did it already):Delete
While Jaime is laying on a weirwood tree (!!!) he has that bizarre dream, which I always suspected to be prophetic:
'Naked and alone he stood, surrounded by enemies, with stone walls all around him pressing close. The Rock, he knew. He could feel the immense weight of it above his head. He was home.'
Later I think we have the proof of your Jaime-Azor theorie, Dorian:
'“Give me a sword, at least.”
“I gave you a sword,” Lord Tywin said. [...]
As he raised the sword a finger of pale flame flickered at the point and crept up along the edge, stopping a hand’s breath from the hilt. The fire took on the color of the steel itself so it burned with a silvery-blue light, and the gloom pulled back.'
Ice was lightbringer during the long night, thus Oathbringer and his brother-blade will be the pendant for the coming war. And who has Oathkeeper?
'“A sword,” Brienne begged, and there it was, scabbard, belt, and all. She buckled it around her thick waist. The light was so dim that Jaime could scarcely see her, though they stood a scant few feet apart. In this light she could almost be a beauty, he thought. In this light she could almost be a knight. Brienne’s sword took flame as well, burning silvery blue. The darkness retreated a little more.
“The flames will burn so long as you live,” he heard Cersei call. “When they die, so must you.”'
I don't have any answers or definite explanations. I just point out. The next thing has to do with Casterly Rock and may foreshadow a battle like the one of Túrin Turambar:
'Below the earth his doom awaited, he knew with the certainty of dream; something dark and terrible lurked there, something that wanted him.'
But what is it? - Well, Brienne asks exactly that:
'“A cave lion? Direwolves? Some bear? Tell me, Jaime. What lives here? What lives in the darkness?”
“Doom.” No bear, he knew. No lion. “Only doom.”'
'No lion' - that would contradict the Tyrion-theorie. Can it be - literally! - a dragon, like Glaurung? Why not?
Go on then, make something out of it!
I'd be pleased to read your ideas. :-)
PS. I've found a thead about the can of worms I just opened: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/65116-jaimes-dream-brienne-uncat-and-everything-else/
Sorry again, if this might be old for you guys.
So maybe in the end Jaimy will kill Cercei with Oathbreaker and becomes both Azor Ahai and the Valoncquar at once.... doing obviously something for the greater good of the Realm....Delete
This post had me thinking that azhor ahai forging light bringer from his Nissa Nissa or "the one he loves/truly cares for" in relation to Jamie could either be brienne retrieving him for lady stoneheart . This act would bring the two weapons forged from Ned's sword Ice back together and could result in brienne serving as Nissa Nissa and dying, causing Jamie to have both weapons to made back into one. Another scenario would be that Light Bringer is actually the combined forces of Jamie and Brienne as fighters for their cause since they would be wielding two parts of the same powerful weapon. So either brienne ends up dead and is Jamie's Nissa Nissa or she becomes the second half/wielder of Lightbringer. Just an idea.Delete
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Jaime doesn't have a part of Ice: Oathkeeper is with Brienne, Joffrey's part is now Tommen's.
So Ice won't be reforged.
Tommen won't be a good king because he didn't want to kill Robb. He would become a wise king who heeds his councillor's advice, or at least that's what the show makes us believe.
(When Tywin and Tommen are talking over Joffrey's corpse)
Just saint that in Season 7 Jaime has Widow's Wail and Brienne has Oathkeeper.Delete
Really enjoyed reading this! Makes so much sense, you are super talented :) Have shared it on twitter in hopes that all fans can read. Dont stop posting pls! xxReplyDelete
Wow, thanks. That's really nice of you to say. Glad you enjoyed the blog. I may post another one sometime this week. So stay tuned, and thanks for commenting!Delete
So very impressive - really first class work. Will be tuning in regularly from here on out.ReplyDelete
this is really incredible stuff. One question though with all the Azor Ahai= Jon Snow comparisons; do you believe Jon Snow to be dead?ReplyDelete
and which sword is lightbringer?ReplyDelete
Color me Fleibergeisted!ReplyDelete
Really like this theory, much better than Jon Snow as Azor Ahai. Jon hasn't done anything that warrants him being Azor Ahai other than possibly being the son of Rhaegar. Also, does it say that Azor Ahai needs to be from the Targeryen line? I don't subscribe to the "Aerys as father of X Lannister" as I hate the cliche where everybody is related to everybody else and I don't think Tywin would let the rape of his wife pass.ReplyDelete
This is really interesting, my favorite out of all four you've done so far. I really can see Jamie as Azor Ahai and I thought all the points you made as to why were really great. It's definitely a GRRM size twist as well. I can even see Bran and Jamie being the main catalysts to the story.ReplyDelete
My biggest problem with your theory though is saying Tommen will be a great enlightened ruler because he didn't want Joffrey to kill Robb. I mean other then that we've just seen him being a regular stupid kid. I think extrapolating that to Tommen ushering in a golden age is a huge stretch when we have so little to go on via Tommen as a person at the end of ADWD. For have the story to be all about him a really secondary character we haven't invested in just feels both majorly out of context and like an absolutely massive let down.
The other thing I'd love to see you tackle is why Bran, Dany and Jon end up wanting to have all of humanity destroyed. Other then them being under the magic of the Children of the Forest I just don't see how they get there. I can buy Bran as he's being sucked into the Weirwood and with Bloodraven but I don't see it for Dany and Jon.
We've invested so much time in seeing them try to develop into good rulers who want to have people's best interests at heart that for them to switch sides completely seems like too far a stretch even for George. Especially because there is no environmental deterrent. Meaning, something like that could make sense in our modern age because we're destroying the planet through pollution, modern weaponry, etc. but they are still in a medieval setting so it's not like they're on the brink of ruining the environment and Dany and Jon switch sides to save it.
Either way, really intriguing stuff and I look forward to reading more.
Jon becomes an agent of BR's simply by being risen by Mel. I think there is no malice in this (look how Mel and Dondarrion had plenty of conflicting self-reflective moments), but he will do what needs to be done for Rh'llor.
Dany, I believe, is spiraling slowly into Targ madness, so it is not a great step for her to become an agent of chaos. Perhaps she has been reborn already through the death pyre of Drogo/MMD.
"The other thing I'd love to see you tackle is why Bran, Dany and Jon end up wanting to have all of humanity destroyed. Other then them being under the magic of the Children of the Forest I just don't see how they get there".Delete
I'll give it a shot -- Bran is the easiest one to explain. He's a traumatized child -- which is a dangerous thing to be, especially when under bad influence. Most serial killers started out as traumatized children. So, I don't think you'd even have to trick him. Because, even though he is "innocent", it wouldn't take much to plant ideas in his head (which is what BR is doing).
As for Jon -- I may have mentioned it in another comment, but GRRM gave an interview several years back in which he said Jon's storyline was going to get a lot darker as the series progressed (you can probably google it). At the time, no one really knew what he was talking about, but it seems pretty clear now that Jon Snow's been murdered by his men with a red priestess on hand. So, I'm going to guess his "conversion" will have something to do with his resurrection.
As for Dany -- she's the one BR will have to trick, IMO. But, think about it -- who has she sympathized with all along? Who has she fought wars to free? Slaves (the same people the Children target for conversion). She clearly sympathizes with the oppressed and downtrodden -- and if we look to the histories, there is no race more oppressed or downtrodden than the Children. They were slaughtered wholesale, nearly to the point of extinction, and had their land stolen from them. And, I'd imagine BR could probably deliver a pretty convincing speech on the topic. So, if nothing else, I'm guessing that's the avenue BR will exploit. Whether she knows what she's doing or not is another question. But, I could easily see her sympathizing with the "poor Children's plight" (especially since their most ardent followers -- i.e. the Red priests and the Faceless Men -- are/were slaves).
And keep in mind -- I don't think Bran, Jon & Dany will see themselves as fighting for the "wrong side". In their minds, it won't be some kind of evil endeavor they're undertaking. They'll see themselves as in the right, or even heroic. I'm not even entirely sure BR knows what he's doing. It's possible he's being manipulated by the CotF as well (granted, I don't think that's the case. But it's possible).
Or, at least, that's my best guess... for the moment.
Also, here's a quote from Dany that may foreshadow her coming to the aid of the CotF:Delete
"I am Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, of the blood of Old Valyria. I am the dragon's daughter, and I swear to you that those who would harm you will die screaming".
That sounds a lot like what Bran thinks when Leaf laments the loss of Westeros (i.e. "Men would not be sad. They would swear bloody vengeance, etc."). Granted, she was coming to the aid of downtrodden people, rather than downtrodden Children, but one can see how she could make the leap. She has the right mentality for it.
I have great difficulty with your attempt to paint Jamie as more noble by simplifying Ned Stark. In fact I would say that Ned was the exact opposite in that he would have prepared to take the more difficult path and disobey orders even if it meant paying the ultimate price i.e. his own life, whereas Jamie would not have.ReplyDelete
For instance when Jamie is telling Ned about the time his Father and brother were killed Ned asks him how he could have stood there and watched that and done nothing? Jamie replies that there were numerous other people in the room who also did nothing i.e. not that he shouldn’t have but that it would have been dangerous for him to do something. Whilst Ned is implying that he could never have stood by and watched something as obviously wrong as that happen.
Also Jamie didn't kill Aerys because he was going to burn the city but because his father's army had arrived in the city. As Ned said "You served the King well when it was easy to serve”. Once the game was up for Aerys Jamie had no problem killing him.
I have no problem with Jamie going through his redemption and emerging as the hero although I would rather it didn’t happen this way but don’t fall into trap of then looking back on his previous actions as somehow also righteous. Next we’ll hear it was right for Jamie to throw Bran out the window as he was a “very naughty boy and should not have been climbing!!”
Ned may have questioned certain orders if he didn't agree with them, but we don't know that. All we have to go on is Ned's blatant disgust for oath breakers, which seemed to imply (especially in regards to Jaime) that he didn't want to hear "excuses". All that mattered to him was that Jaime had broken his oath. He never even bothered to ask why.Delete
And as for Jaime not wanting to die -- that's the point. Azor Ahai cannot let trivial human concerns, like "honor", get him killed. That may be ironic, being that the "savior" must prioritize his life ahead of everyone else's, in order to survive long enough to fight the Last Battle, but it's pretty basic. Because, if someone like Ned were Azor Ahai, the world would be screwed. Consider, Ned was going to willingly give himself up for execution, before Varys talked him out of it (granted, Joffrey killed him anyway, but it never even occurred to Ned to value his life over his foolish pride).
As for Ned's comment, "You served the king well when it was easy to serve" -- Uhh... so did Ned. That's supposed to make him look like a hypocrite. Because, here we have a rebel usurper talking about serving the king. If Ned really believed that, he would've willingly offered himself up to Aerys when he was called to King's Landing to answer for his father's and brother's crimes. But, that would've been the difficult thing to do -- serve your king, even when it could get you killed (which is exactly what he wanted Jaime to do -- but wouldn't do himself).
As for Jaime being an opportunist -- of course he was. Most great leaders are. I mean, I can't imagine he'd want to burn to death. But, that's part of it. He's his own man. He can think for himself. Because, we're led to believe the rest of the Kingsguard would've willingly gone to their deaths like a pack of lemmings if ordered to do so (which they did). But Jaime was smart enough to put two and two together (i.e. why should I, and everyone else, die for this idiot? A shame we haven't had anyone like that in the real wars we fight). But, to the same extent, Jaime did chase down all the pyromancers and finish the job. He didn't just leave it at Aerys.
Also, consider Jaime's age at the time. If Robert's Rebellion took place in 282 AL, and the War of the Five Kings began in 298 AL, when Jaime was 33, that means he was only 17 years old when he killed Aerys. So, Jaime was in all likelihood the youngest guy in the room when Ned's dad was put to death. He was a 17 year old kid, surrounded by grown men. Yet, he was the only one who did anything about Aerys. Go figure.
I think you misinterpret Jamie's response. Jamie was saying that others stood by as well, including his fellow King's Guard, and Jamie is the only one that Ned blames for not doing anything. And when Jamie does do something about an even more grievous injustice he gets called an oathbreaker.Delete
Jamie's killing of Aerys was a heroic act and not one of opportunity. Tywin would not harm his son and would probably be pardon just like Barristan if Aerys had surrendered so he was in no danger. Aerys' was going to burn the city, including his father's army as they were in the city. Killing Aerys and the other pyromancers was right thing to do.
"Ned may have questioned certain orders if he didn't agree with them, but we don't know that."Delete
We do actually from when Ned refused to be part of Daenerys’s assassination even though it was a direct order from 'King' Robert. Robert could have had him killed for that.
I think you confuse Honour with Vanity!! Ned's honour is not his but his family's and that of the name Stark and is not to be confused with the quest for power and reputation as that sought by the Lannister’s . For instance for a member of his family, especially the head, to admit to being a traitor would I guess be the most dishonourable thing imaginable in his eyes yet he did that to save his daughter.
“If Ned really believed that, he would've willingly offered himself up to Aerys when he was called to King's Landing to answer for his father's and brother's crimes.”
What crimes? Aerys’s had them brutally murdered for no reason. Rhaegar had kidnapped Brandon’s sister to his knowledge and he went to Aerys’s to demanded justice.
As regards Jamie when he killed Aerys only the two of them were left in the room. He had already slain the pyromancer so essentially the city was safe as there was no one left to carry out Aerys’s order. Jamie could have held him for trial until his father or Ned arrived but he knew that would have been more difficult for his farther/family. Better if Aerys’s was dead.
I think Ned’s calling Jamie ‘Kingslayer’ is taken too seriously. I don’t believe it’s so much a judgement on Jamie for killing Aerys’s but rather the contradiction of Jamie being the Kings bodyguard and doing it.
Besides the fact I disagree with you on this I think the analogy with Norse mythology fascinating and thank you for bringing it to my attention.
I always like to debate this kind of stuff, so thanks for commenting. It's all in good fun. Glad you like the blog.Delete
As for Brandon's crimes: you're only seeing his side of the story. We have no idea what really went down between Rhaegar and Lyanna -- largely because of Brandon's belligerence. What we do know is Lyanna wasn't exactly thrilled with the prospect of marrying Robert Baratheon. And Rhaegar was what we might call a "lady's man" -- a rich, handsome, royal, lady's man. Yet, he kidnapped Lyanna against her will? I'm not so sure about that.
What I am sure of is that in Westerosi culture, the king had absolute authority (as Joffrey said, "the king can do as he likes"). And here's how Aerys would've seen it:
Brandon: I'll kill Rhaegar! He kidnapped my sister!
Aerys: To even imply that my son would've "kidnapped" your sister is an insult. In any case, he is a far superior match for your sister than a lowly storm lord. He is the blood of the dragon. You should feel honored that he would choose your sister. And, perhaps if you'd left it at that, I would've sent you to the Wall. But since you decided to threaten his life, I will call your father to the capital to answer for your crimes. If he cannot. If will destroy the both of you.
So, yeah. We claim Aerys was mad (and he was), but what about Brandon? I mean, that's a pretty crazy thing to do when you think about it -- threaten a Targaryen crown prince... to the "Mad King", no less. Granted, even the people who loved Brandon, like Cat, portrayed him as a bit of a belligerent moron, but he may have been totally insane. Not only did he leap to conclusions, he acted on them. And what did he think would happen? Did he honestly believe Aerys would say, "You're right, Brandon. My son kidnapped your sister, so I'm going to let you kill him". If he did, he was an idiot too... an insane idiot. That may sound harsh, but would you threaten the son of a tyrannical autocrat over accusations you couldn't prove? I wouldn't, especially if all it would get me was killed.
The only justification Brandon had was to frame it as a kidnapping, and even then, most of the major Houses sided with Aerys (because he had absolute authority over them -- which they recognized). And Ned's dad had recognized that authority too... he actually went to King's Landing to answer for Brandon's crimes... a difficult thing to do. But when Ned was called to do the same -- to answer for the actions of his brother (i.e. do you believe Rhaegar kidnapped her too? And if so, do you also want to kill us? If not, will you reaffirm your loyalty to the crown and refrain from seeking to avenge your brother & father?), he wouldn't do it. He kept his oath to the Targaryens when it was easy -- when he was the one swinging the greatsword -- but he stopped being so obedient when the tables were turned back around on him (just like Jaime did. Yet Ned supposedly hated Jaime because he valued familial bonds over his oath to Aerys... that's hypocritical, no matter how you spin it). And let's not fool ourselves. Robert's Rebellion led to the deaths of countless innocents (like all wars do) -- people who had neither wronged the Starks nor the Baratheons. But they essentially turned what amounted to a personal feud into a full-blown war. And they're the good guys? Again, I'm not so sure about that. We're only seeing their side of the story.
As for honor & vanity -- I think it's semantics. On a very basic level, lives & relationships matter far more than names & reputations. That's where Tywin got it wrong. He said names live on... but they don't live at all, because names aren't people. They don't have lives. And Varys had to explain that to Ned. He had to say, "What matters more? The happiness and well-being of your daughters -- your actual flesh and blood -- or your reputation -- what people will say about you?". Granted, Ned was smart enough to figure it out (and Joffrey screwed him anyway), but that wasn't his instinct. His instinct was to sacrifice his life and put his daughters in danger in order to preserve his reputation (which was not only a selfish impulse, but a completely pointless one. Because, even if he had denied the charges until the very end, he still would've been called a traitor just the same. The history books wouldn't have remembered it, and the Lannisters sure as hell wouldn't have included it in their propaganda against him. So, the vast majority of people never would've known, and Ned would've died for nothing -- that is, if Joffrey had actually kept to his word).
But again, I'm always up for debating. And, I like hearing other points of view. So, don't hold back, and feel free to comment any time. Thanks again.
Ned was a ward to Jon Arryn & Jon Arryn was the one Aerys demanded bring Ned & Roberts heads. Ned didn't really have the opportunity to "go before the king", Arryn rebelled instead of "serving the king".Delete
Anonymous: you took the words right out of my mouth...and spoke them much better than I could have. Thank you. I hope Jamie is revealed to be a better man by the end of the Game...but your dressing him down is 100% correct and Ned is, and always will be, the best man there ever was. :)Delete
If Tyrion is the Valonquar and does kill Cersei, that might give Jaime cause for the showdown in Casterly Rock... he has certainly drifted in his emotions for her, but Tyrion as already offed Tywin so killing another of his own family might push Jaime across the line (just looking for motivations that would drive the people to fulfill their norse-parallel storylines).ReplyDelete
Jaime as Azor Ahai makes sense. He's the curveball, and the various clues that hint towards this (like the ham, which is pretty hilarious) only strengthen the idea. However, I don't think the prophecy of Azor Ahai could be quite as mundane as you make it out to be, just from a storytelling perspective. While it is true that GRRM has glossed over a great many prophecies, adhering to some, corrupting others, and ignoring a few, the Azor Ahai prophecy has had quite a bit of introduction and explanation. So whoever does end up popping up as Azor Ahai, which we have to assume will be explicit due to the prophecy's pivotal importance, needs to have a pretty understandable background that fits into the prophecy.ReplyDelete
Beyond being very mundane, Jaime getting a bath and some ham long before either the red star bleeds or Bran meets the three-eyed crow (and darkness gathers) just doesn't cut it. I'm not opposed to a mundane explanation for the prophecy, but that doesn't even happen in anywhere near the chronological order of the prophecy. Personally, I don't expect this prophecy to be fulfilled until very late in the series, just because of how much it's been hyped up.
At least, I'd be very disappointed if GRRM debunks all of the theories about Jon, Stannis, Dany, whoever, being Azor Ahai because of some flimsy clues across Jaime's arc, when all of those other characters have far more obvious claims to the Azor Ahai prophecy. "Nah, you're all wrong, Jaime ate some salted pork for dinner a while ago."
I'd be the first to admit I could be wrong, but at the same time, GRRM may very well disappoint you if you're expecting some kind of miraculous Jon Snow/Dany/Stannis prophecy to come about.Delete
I think Tyrion actually summed it up the best when he said:
"Prophecy is like a half-trained mule. It looks as though it might be useful, but the moment you trust in it, it kicks you in the head".
It's like a Nostradamus prophecy. People can connect it to anything or anyone, but the real event that they think it's referring to may not go down quite like they expect it to.
As for chronology: I'd point out that the word "when" doesn't necessarily imply sequence, especially in the way it's being used. It's vague, as in "when these things happen". Words like "before" and "after" imply sequence. But that's too specific for a prophecy. Prophecies (at least the ones that "come true") are never that specific, i.e. "Before the red star bleeds...". They're usually pretty vague, just like the Azor Ahai prophecy is. "Around the time these vague events take place, so-and-so will come about amidst a common crystalline mineral that's found everywhere and airborne particulates emitted by combustion".
But yeah, I can easily see how some fans would be disappointed by such an outcome. Then again, it wouldn't be the first time GRRM has crushed his fans' expectations. And, I'm certainly not fanatical about any of my theories. If they turn out to be wrong, so be it. I'm just calling it like I see it (and, admittedly, I tend to see it a little differently than most fans, which is why I thought I'd explain why I see it like that). But thanks for commenting. I always appreciate the feedback, and different points of view.
Yeah, I understand completely where you're coming from, just wanted to point out the sheer dramatic importance of the AA prophecy. I, for one, feel that GRRM needs to abide by certain very vague rules in order to write a good story. Like how to use tension, keep fans invested in characters, maintain realism, etc. Things of heavy dramatic importance - like this prophecy - likewise need to be handled in a specific manner that readers can interact with. All of GRRM's upsetting turns come like this: we grieved Ned's death, were shocked by the brutality of Tywin's Red Wedding, hated Oberyn's demise. This sort of dramatic disappointment draws readers in, because it's something we can understand and accept. "Oh, Ned needed to die, he was too stubborn and honorable. That's unrealistic.""Tywin's really a cold son of a *****.""I KNEW Tyrion couldn't get out of this one the same way."Delete
Relating this back to the AA prophecy, if AA is ever revealed explicitly, then I feel Martin needs to give an understandable and acceptable explanation, even if its not spelled out completely. Otherwise, he disengages readers, which good stories do not do.
But that's just my two cents. I think that Martin is opposed to formulaic genre writing, not the basics of storytelling. Either way, great blog, I'm loving the metastory going on here.
I can totally understand where you, and many other fans, are coming from. But, I'd refer you to a little-used storytelling device called "false protagonist", which GRRM has shown a particular penchant for in the past. And, there can be value to it, even though it is dangerous, (since the whole point of it is to undermine expectations, and reverse momentum). But, when it's done well, it can really blow peoples' minds. Then again, when it's done sloppily, or lazily, it can completely ruin a story.Delete
Of course, I'm just calling it like I see it. I'm not exactly sure how GRRM will reach these resolutions, but I have enough faith in his storytelling abilities to think he'll do it in an extremely clever fashion. Or, I could be dead wrong. We shall see. But, point taken. If he goes about it in a mundane way, fans won't be happy. However, I only said it "seems" mundane. But he might blow us away with it (i.e. I could see it as potentially one of those "In Cold Blood" -- did he just make me sympathize with a serial killer? -- kind of endings -- as in, people will put down the book and say, "Holy shit. Jaime really should've killed Bran when he pushed him out the window. Am I a bad person for saying that?" -- it's that "In Cold Blood" dillemma -- who to sympathize with, the abused child, or the victims of the murderous adult that abused child ultimately turned into?... because of his abuse).
And again, in a book where one of the main characters, who the author has said he most identifies with (Tyrion), says that prophecies never work out quite like you expect them, it just might be that the major prophecy that is central to the story won't go down quite like you expect it to. Could be wrong. Perhaps he's trying to throw people like me off? Wouldn't be the first time. LOL.
Yar. I'll just point out that 'false protagonist' refers to characters, not plot devices. For the most part, people don't invest in plot devices (although some people are pretty invested in GRRM's :D). Fair enough either way, and it's all just speculation.Delete
I am interested in what kind of tone/message/whatever GRRM is going to end this all with. Maybe he'll just end it fifteen times like Tolkein so that any emotional payoff has long evaporated before the final page is read. Trolololo
Yeah, you're right. I was thinking along the lines of 'a character upon which the plot turns', but that wouldn't be his sole object. My bad.Delete
As for GRRM -- what gets me is that he's said on numerous occasions that his dream in life is to crush the souls of his readers. Of course, that should be taken as tongue-in-cheek, but sometimes I do wonder. Because, if he truly is following Ragnarök mythology, the soul-crushing is pretty much inevitable, given the way he's written it (through the eyes of those who "get turned" -- and portraying the "gods" as ruthless & cruel). And, it may just be a product of his incredible talent in regards to the characters he's created. Because, they just seem SO real and relatable, that fans seem to connect with them on an entirely different level. So, any straying from the course everyone expects (i.e. Jon + Dany) is bound to hurt.
I'm thinking -- even though Vidarr ultimately wins out in the end, the jötnar truly are the victors of Ragnarök. I mean, they succeed in killing the gods, after all. And while it's true that many of them die as well, they definitely get their revenge. Plus, as far as we know, there is no record of what happens to Surtr, or Hel, or Hati, or Sköll, etc after Ragnarök. So, GRRM could literally have anything in store for them, even if he is keeping true to the mythology. So, although the Children of the Forest might now win out, the Stark brood just might, in a sense.Delete
So, I'd reckon, at the very least, the multitudes of devoted Stark loyalists out there could take some solace in that. I'd imagine the payoff of seeing Rickon & Shaggydog tearing Jaime to shreds might just be worth it to them. And, certainly, they'll love seeing Jon Snow (even if it does turn out to be a soulless unJon) set House Frey ablaze with his fiery sword. I get stoked even thinking about that, let alone reading what GRRM has in store for it (assuming that's where he's going with it, of course -- which I really hope it is. Because, that Surtr/Sköll idea of yours would truly be genius, IMO. Speaking as a slightly less-typical fan, I'd be deeply satisfied with such an ending).
Before I noticed the Rickon/Garmr connection, I was considering how Rickon would be the only possible male Stark to come out of Ragnarok alive and unchanged. Robb's dead, Bran's being turned into a super-warg (let's be honest, he's not coming out of that cave anytime soon), and Jon's likely dead (or warging, or w/e). If the Stark House were to live on, it would have to be through him, unless Jon somehow comes back from the brink AND becomes legitimized. I suspect GRRM will at least give his fans that.Delete
After all, the ending is going to be a huge downer if this Ragnarok bit holds. The Giants will sate their lust for vengeance but become no better for it (minus the hot zombie scars), while the Gods will all die and leave the world to their children. So, in essence, all the people we care about will either die, or fade into the distance.
One thing I will suggest, is that the CoF's plans may not be the extermination of man, but rather of the Gods, represented in Martin's world by men who have broken away from spirituality and mysticism to embrace rationality and technology. This would explain some of their more confusing relationships, especially with human greenseers, the First Men, etc.
I meant to say the Stark name would have to live on through Rickon - 'him' is vague in that sentence. Damn you, lack of edit button.Delete
I remember an interview from a few years back in which GRRM was asked to describe how the series would end. And, at the time I thought he was kidding, but I remember thinking "that sounds an awful lot like Ragnarök" (this was before I'd made any connections, though).Delete
And then I thought I must've imagined it, because I couldn't find the quote. But, after some searching, I found this summary of it on IMDb:
"Author George R. R. Martin was asked if he had a resolution or ending to the seemingly endless conflict. He replied that the end would be a cloud of dust or snow being driven by the wind across a vast graveyard full of tombstones".
Could that be tongue-in-cheek? Sure. But, if we take him at his word, you have to wonder why he'd want to do that. Why destroy the world he'd created? And then I started reading how he feels about fan-fiction:
"My characters are my children... I don't want people making off with them, thank you. Even people who say they love my children. I'm sure that's true, I don't doubt the sincerity of their affection, but still... No one gets to abuse the people of Westeros but me".
And then he has all these quotes like:
-"Art is not a democracy. People don't get to vote on how it ends".
-"A villain is a hero of the other side, as someone once said, and I think there's a great deal of truth to that, and that's the interesting thing. In the case of war, that kind of situation, so I think some of that is definitely what I'm aiming at".
-"In real life, the hardest aspect of the battle between good and evil is determining which is which".
-"I always felt like Gandalf should have stayed dead. That was such an incredible sequence in Fellowship of the Ring when he faces the Balrog on the Khazad-dûm and he falls into the gulf, and his last words are, 'Fly, you fools'.
What great power that had, how that grabbed me. And then he comes back as Gandalf the White, and if anything he's sort of improved. I never liked Gandalf the White as much as Gandalf the Grey, and I never liked him coming back. I think it would have been an even stronger story if Tolkien had left him dead".
-"My reading of history has shown me that simply 'being a good man' is not enough. That there are many kings who are good men and yet bad kings. And even good kings sometimes make disastrous decisions".
-"My own heroes are the dreamers, those men and women who tried to make the world a better place than when they found it, whether in small ways or great ones. Some succeeded, some failed, most had mixed results... but it is the effort that's heroic, as I see it. Win or lose, I admire those who fight the good fight".
-"I think the battle between Good and Evil is waged with the individual human hearts. We all have good in us and we all have evil in us, and we may do a wonderful good act on Tuesday and a horrible, selfish, bad act on Wednesday, and to me, that's the great human drama or fiction".
Granted, I wouldn't put too much weight in any one thing he said, but when you add it all up, you can kind of get a sense of his world-view. And, I'm not so sure he's the type who believes in happy endings. Because, think about that Gandalf quote. That may seem benign on the surface, but he's basically taking issue with the way LotR ended, given how important Gandalf the White is to the story (i.e. Rohan, Helm's Deep, Isengard, etc). It sounds to me like he gravitates much more heavily towards history than fantasy, and in history, happy endings are few and far between. And certainly, endings that satisfy everyone are non-existent.
So, all I'm saying is, it makes you wonder.
Yep. My favorite is still "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention," from the show. It's pretty amazing that, even after everything the series has put us through, some readers continue to believe it'll all turn out okay. Sure, Bran was paralyzed, his father beheaded, his brother and mother murdered, his home destroyed, his teacher slain, his brother taken away from him, his best friend fed to him, but he's going to be happy soon!Delete
We may as well expect the last book in the series to have bright, colorful illustrations on every other page and a Harry Potter crossover.
If someone was profiled as a real world serial killer, the Brand background you describe above would certainly leave people thinking "well yea, what did you expect? This is not someone for whom things end well and tends to help mankind...Delete
Also, this is a fantastic blog. I love all the thought and conversations.
George has said that the series will have a bitter-sweet ending.Delete
I do not believe it will have a full-of doom ending, but a good ending with a very bitter taste, b/c maybe many have died. The resolution will come at high costs. I think that's the type of ending Martin is aiming at.
A very splendid read again!ReplyDelete
Regarding salt: I'm not sure you even need to reach the point of ham - Jaime ate at Roose Bolton's table, surely he was offered salt and bread at some point?
How do you reconcile your idea of Tommen's role with the Maegi's prophecy that Cersei would see her three children die before her? Is the Maegi wrong, or are we misunderstanding the Valonqar prophecy?ReplyDelete
You know, that's a very good question. And, I have thought about that long and hard, but really don't know how GRRM plans to reconcile it. Because, if Cersei is Frigg, that means the prophecy is, in all likelihood, true (i.e. Frigg has the power of prophecy, which she keeps to herself -- just as Cersei's been told a prophecy that she hasn't let anyone else know about. Plus, if Maggy the Frog was connected to the Children of the Forest, as some have theorized -- then that makes it even more likely the prophecy is real).Delete
However, I hate to bring this up again, but I'm really convinced that this is a major theme in the story, i.e. when Tyrion says, "Prophecy is like a half-trained mule. It looks as though it might be useful, but the moment you trust in it, it kicks you in the head".
Some may write that off. But that definitely leads me to believe GRRM plans on treating prophecy in an unconventional manner. Because, it stands to reason if the character he most identifies with claims prophecies are never really what they seem, the prophecies in the books he is writing may not be what they seem.
On the other hand, I still wonder how exactly Tommen is going to go about taking his "vengeance". Because, even he if he is Vidarr, he's not a warg or a sorcerer, and doesn't really have the means with which to defeat Bran on his own (unless you count the armies he commands. Then again, if Samwell kills Bloodraven, that may neutralize Bran's power in some way). So, perhaps his "death" will have something to do with that? Not sure if I subscribe to that theory or not, but I'll throw it out there for the hell of it (it would seem to contradict the idea that necromancy is a tool of the Children, however -- and it would definitely fly in the face of the idea of Tommen "surviving" Ragnarök to "inherit the world"). So, I imagine the prophecy is figurative in some way, but in what way, I have no clue.
But, before I ever got on this Ragnarök tangent, I theorized Lady Stoneheart might capture & kill Tommen, if Cersei tries to flee to Casterly Rock in the face of the Golden Company's onslaught.
Clearly, that can't happen if Tommen really is Vidarr, but it would certainly illustrate how unjust/destructive collective punishment/revenge can be. And, it would be symmetry in the sense that the Lannisters caused the death of Catelyn's children. But again, if this Ragnarök business really is true -- and if Cersei's spiel at the end of the Blackwater episode really is foreshadowing Tommen's role as Vidarr -- then that simply cannot be.
I know that doesn't really answer your question. But I'll keep you posted if I think of one.
I'm wondering if Tommen isn't an error in this. As someone mentioned earlier, I don't see how the little we've seen of him thus far has been enough for anyone to consider him 'enlightened'. Everyone is forgetting about Gendry. He is the only living son of Robert. If the show is accurate, he may very well be that 'black-haired' beauty that Cercei lost, their firstborn. I half suspect that Aegon wasn't the only baby that Varys swapped. If J&C are really the mad king's bastards, then Gendry himself is blood of the dragon.Delete
I don't think D&D gave him an extended story just because the girls love his abs. i expect him to re-emerge in book 6 as well, when Martin gets back into the Riverlands and the other characters.
With everything he went through with Arya, the BWB, and the fight at the Inn, he now knows about Cat and what happened to her. He must know who she is. The brothers haven't kept that secret from their own.
I can't see him siding with any of the gods. He never has and now he has even more reason to hate them, especially the 'Lord of Light'. He is enlightened in his own way to how things really are. And having grown up poor and humble, I think he's a better fit for the part than Tommen.
I do agree with the Jaime theory, but I think his 'rebirth' is yet to come, though close at hand. Remember the last we see of him in the book, he's being led off by Brienne (who was supposedly hanged). It seems odd that she would mysteriously pop up claiming to have found Sansa. There is something definitely off there.
Well Roose Bolton frees Jaime way before Oberyn Martell dies, so your interpretation of the prophecy doesn't actually work in the timeline.ReplyDelete
I don't think it's fair to expect people in this setting to know the difference between a comet and a bleeding star, so I'm sticking with the comet as the bleeding star, because I've got no reason not to.
Gesar (sorry =) I really like what you're doing, and I'm into a ton of crackpots. I hate to be the skeptical one on your blog ahah)
That is true, but consider -- that allows Jaime to witness the "red star bleed" -- which is important. He has to be there for it.Delete
And, I'm of the opinion the House sigils are part of the puzzle -- i.e. they symbolize more than just the Houses. Perhaps it's just a coincidence that one of the House sigils is a Red Star, whose most prominent member "bleeds" at a major turning point in the story -- but I'm betting it's not.
And again, I'd refer you to Tyrion's statement about prophecies never happening quite like people expect them to. Because, if we look to real history, like the prophecies of Nostradamus, for example, they are rarely so specific as to pinpoint chronology. They are vague, and painted with broad brush strokes so no matter what happens, people will be able to connect it to something, or someone. I may be nitpicking, and you may be right, but that's how I see it. And, I may have mentioned before, but since GRRM has said himself that he most identifies with Tyrion, out of all the characters he's created, I'd imagine his words may carry a little more weight than most.
Or, I could be totally wrong about all of this. But I appreciate you challenging me on it. It definitely keeps me on my toes.
Azor Ahai could still be Jaime even if the red star is the comet and the darkness gathering is the white walkers. It fits chronology, and it doesn't contradict anything.Delete
Also interested in why you're so sure that Jaime and Cersei are Targaryens, but Tyrion can't be (there's tons of foreshadowing about it, and it would fit Fafnir turning into a dragon).
It could be that I've got it backwards, and Tyrion is the Targ, rather than Jaime & Cersei. But, it would be poetic justice if that were the case, i.e. a major burn to Tywin -- the kids he was so proud of weren't even his, whereas the kid he was ashamed of was.Delete
And, the foreshadowing has been so blatant in regards to Jaime & Cersei, people discount it. But consider, Jaime's aunt has literally told him "You aren't Tywin's son" in AFfC. Barristan has alluded to as much in his conversations with Daenerys, not to mention the whole "flip a coin" thing (i.e. Cersei is going crazy, whereas Jaime is not -- and the same can be seen in Joffrey & Tommen). And, Barristan claimed Aerys lusted after Joanna (and based on what we know of Aerys' character, he could be rather impulsive).
It would also be ironic in the sense that Robert & Ned fought a war to dislodge the Targaryen dynasty, only to unwittingly install more Targs on the throne. It would also explain why Aerys went behind Tywin's back to make Jaime the youngest Kingsguard in the history of Westeros.
Also, a lot of the clues can be found in the Dunk & Egg books. Brienne, in all likelihood, is Ser Duncan the Tall's great granddaughter (she's carrying Dunk's shield when we first meet her, and claims that her father had an entire armory full of shields with the same design. Plus, she's incredibly tall, just like Dunk, which leads me to believe Dunk finally did find Tansy Too-Tall, before Aegon became king and inducted him into the kingsguard).
Here's something for you -- if we take Davos Seaworth as an example -- who was similarly born in Flea Bottom, just like Dunk -- he took the name "Seaworth" upon being elevated to nobility, because, as a smuggler, he had derived his worth from the sea.
So, what if the island of Tarth was granted to Dunk by Maekar for his service to young Egg (before Egg "the Unlikely" became king)? And what if Dunk took the name Tar(garyen wor)th (Tarth) as his noble name? Could be.
And, if that's the case, that means the "adventures of Brienne & Jaime" (in which Jaime shaves his head -- just like Egg -- so as not to be recognized in his travels) are an allusion to the adventures of Dunk & Egg (Dunk's great granddaughter and Egg's great grandson). Plus, the childhood of Egg & Aerion mirrors that of Tommen & Joffrey pretty closely.
But as for Cersei following in her father's footsteps, I'd refer you to this quote from one of Jaime's chapter in A Feast For Crows:
"His sister liked to think of herself as Lord Tywin with teats, but she was wrong. Their father had been as relentless and implacable as a glacier, where Cersei was all wildfire, especially when thwarted... She does not lack for wits but she has no judgement, and no patience".
I thought it was established Hodor was the descendant of Dunk, not Brienne... Maybe I'm wrong about that.Delete
At this point I would be okay with all Lannisters being Targs, honestly =) I don't know that it's impossible, we just need Joanna to actually like Tywin, and since we don't know much about Joanna, there's no reason for her not to. Just think of the reversals it would entail: Jaime becomes kinslayer instead of kingslayer, and Tyrion becomes "king"slayer (well, slayer of power) instead of kinslayer.
But that could be too complicated.
If there is only one targ child, I think the overall symbolics work way better when it's Tyrion, rather than Jaime. I've got my interrogations about the three heads of the dragon (for example, I really doubt the three heads of the dragon are meant to ride the three dragons, as everyone seems to think), but there is much inkling to point toward those three heads being Dany, Jon and Tyrion (all three causing the death of their mother at birth, all three being in direct contact with fire during aGoT while no other character was, and well, all three being "heads", branches of the house Targaryen, if we believe the theory...)
Anyway, you've said three was an important number in norse mythology... Could this significance shed some light on those three heads?
Should have reread before posting... Obviously meant all Lannister children rather than all Lannister, and Joanna liking Aerys instead of Tywin.Delete
As for "the Dragon has three heads" prophecy -- if GRRM really is basing this on Ragnarök, then the "dragon" that's central to the story is not Dany (Jormungandr), it's Bloodraven (Loki). And Loki's three heads are his three "children", who are foretold to lead the forces of ice & fire against the gods during Ragnarök. Dany is one head. Bran is another. And Melisandre is the third (i.e. Jormungandr, Fenrir & Hel, respectively). That would mean the prophecy is not in reference to literal dragon riders, but rather, Loki's 3 tools of the apocalypse.Delete
I'm of the opinion that Jon Snow will NOT be a dragon rider, in any case. As he'll lead the Others in his role as Surtr (and keeper of Craster's Son).
But, I could be wrong about that. So, take it with a grain of salt.
Very interesting blog. Going through ASOIAF and finding quotes and hints to support a given position of the overall themes/meaning/direction of the story is kind of like finding biblical quotes to support a given position. Look hard enough and assume/extrapolate enough and you'll find something.ReplyDelete
I would caution you on 2 items.
Don't assume that GRRM will adhere to a given prior mythology or story just because he some of his story resembles one. Remember that this story is not a democracy.
Also don't assume he that GRRM has a complete command of every single sentence he has written in these many thousands of pages. These works span many years (in real time) and the story may not have been fully hashed out at its inception or at the publishing of the original novel AGOT. There are bound to be some contradictions. After all, it's fiction. Probably some of the best ever written, but still fiction.
I will be glad when season 3 ends tonight. ASOIAF has taking up too much of my thoughts and brain power over the past few months. I need a break.
I totally agree. As I've said, I'm just telling it like I see it... which may not necessarily be the way GRRM is writing it.Delete
And, I'd add, even if he is adhering to Ragnarök mythology, he could wake up tomorrow and say, "Ah, fuck it. I'm going to change it up a bit". Technically, anything could happen.
But I'd also point out that he has said on numerous occasions that, while he is hashing out much of the story as he goes along, he's always known what the end game was going to be. And, if in fact he is adapting Ragnarök, not only would it be possible to foreshadow events long before they happen, it would be part the of reason for doing it -- to make a riddle out of it.
But again, I have no more knowledge than anyone else, and I wouldn't be heartbroken, or anything like that, if it turns out he's not adapting the mythology. I just figured I'd start this blog to let everyone else in on what I was thinking. And, granted, I knew I was getting in deep when I started it, but I may have underestimated just how deep that was. Because the response has been pretty overwhelming. As you said, it will be nice to get a bit of break. It's so all-consuming for so many people, it can get pretty crazy.
Interested in knowing what these "many parallels of Tommen to Egg" are? Other than both being royal and inheriting a crown, what do they have in common in your opinion?ReplyDelete
Good question (I'm surprised it wasn't asked sooner). I'm considering writing my next post on it, but I'll try to answer it. Tyrion says something in ASoS that I think hints at an important underlying theme (which turns out to be the very reason why the D&E stories were written -- to shed light on the Lannisters -- assuming my theory is correct, of course):Delete
"It all goes back and back", Tyrion thought, "to our mothers and fathers and theirs before them. We are puppets dancing on the strings of those who came before us, and one day our own children will take up our strings and dance in our steads".
So, based on that -- which basically means history repeats itself in cycles -- I can see very specific roles that each character has fallen into. Aerion Targaryen/Joffrey is the sadistic Targaryen prince. Aegon/Tommen is the enlightened one. Bloodraven/Tyrion is the "demon monkey" uncle-Hand, and the freakishly tall hedge knight -- Duncan/Brienne -- is the Commander of the Kingsguard (or, ends up becoming that).
Aerion & Aegon = Joffrey & Tommen.
Aerion used to bully Aegon, and even threw his pet cat down a well, which is similar to the story of Joffrey killing Tommen's pet stag. Similarly, Aerion broke Tansy Too-Tall's finger for depicting the death of a dragon in her puppet show. This is parallel to Joffrey asking the tavern singer (i.e. Marillion on the TV show) if he'd prefer to keep his fingers or his tongue for mocking the death of King Robert.
And, although we haven't seen much of Tommen since he's so young, I'm of the opinion that's the purpose of the D&E books (that is, if not to depict Tommen himself, to illustrate the role that he fills in the main cycle of the story).
And, I figure Jaime is related to Egg since it's implied Brienne is related to Dunk.
From A Wiki of Ice & Fire
"Brienne of Tarth/Theories
Descendant of Dunk?
There is speculation that Brienne of Tarth is a descendant of Ser Duncan the Tall.
-The Author mentioned that A Feast for Crows would feature a descendant of Dunk.
-In A Feast For Crows, Brienne recalls a shield she saw as a child in her father's armory. Its description matches Dunk's own shield.
-Both Dunk and Brienne are uncommonly strong".
And, if I'm not mistaken, I believe Brienne actually carries that shield -- or gets that same sigil painted on her shield -- at some point in the story (i.e. shooting star over a tree). And, since her story is centered on her travels with Jaime -- the guy who shaves his head so he won't be noticed while traveling with her -- I figure that either Jaime himself, or Jaime's line, more generally (given the fact that Jaime is 33 years old when the story begins -- the same age Aegon was when he became king... surely by coincidence, I'm sure -- whereas Tommen is much closer in age to Egg in the stories) is representative of Aegon V (who represents "the Prince that was Promised" in the last cycle).
I also think the titles of each of the D&E books are each an allusion to Brienne's story arc -- the Hedge Knight is a reference to her wanderings in AFfC. The Sworn Sword is in reference to her role in ASoS, in regards to her mission to Catelyn. And The Mystery Knight represents her role in ACoK, when we first meet her at Renly's tournament.
But, in any case, I'm pretty sure Jaime is doomed at Ragnarök, so I'm assuming Tommen represents Aegon (who conveniently fits the mold of Vidarr in the Ragnarök mythology) -- and Brienne will end up becoming his Kingsguard/protector, somehow. Or, at least, that's my best guess.
Firstly this is an amazing blog, and now consider me a believer, I remember seeing your Ragnarok post on WiC.net as Varamyr Sixskins, it was quite unconvincing then, you had just mapped out the characters and the ultimate ending. and so i was skeptic, and then recently I came across your blog again after more people on WiC start quoting your work. and boy am I glad I came back, I am a believer now :)ReplyDelete
(OMG you Loki'd me, this is how Dany will join BR :P)
RE: AA and its importance and build ups (an argument founded by Bram)
Well I have thought for some time now, that there could be MANY Azor Ahai-ish dudes. think about it for a second... say if Mel is trying to convince Stannis that he is AA, rather than saying he is one of many AA (so called "heroes") wouldn't she find him easier to convince if she says that "there is only one". and maybe the Idealized Azor Ahai has a burning sword, so Mel got him a fake. and Jaime and the rest of the candidates won't need a burning sword to prove they are one of the many AA. (victarion, Jon, Theon, Dany, Aegon [I am not even sure if these guys are candidates])
Also this ties into a quote of GRRM you typed earlier about each side has their heroes and are not perceived as such by the other, they may end up being heroes for their own cause.
I hope that made sense. I am quite sleepy and the font is so tiny :D
isn't it: "when the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone." what do you think about the last part? really curious...ReplyDelete
I think you're right. I copied and pasted the prophecy from Westeros.org, and that's all it said, but I do recall that bit about "wak[ing] dragons from stone".Delete
And, if Tyrion is right -- i.e. prophecy is never quite what it seems to be -- then I wouldn't take that literally. Because, if you do, then it's obviously referring to the birth of Dany's dragons. But there are two problems with that -- #1. It's way to easy. #2. Dany represents neither Tyr -- i.e. mankind's champion -- nor Surtr -- i.e. monster-kind's champion. She represents Jormungand, the World Serpent. So, IMO, she can't possibly be Azor Ahai.
So, let's look at it symbolically instead. Much of the time, when GRRM refers to "dragons", he's talking about the Targaryens themselves, rather than their dragons (i.e. the blood of the dragon, fire cannot kill a dragon, dance of the dragons, etc.). And, IMO, "stone" is an allusion to "the Rock"... Casterly Rock.
"To wake Targaryens from Casterly Rock" -- i.e. Jaime & Cersei will somehow discover that they're dragons, rather than lions.
It may seem like I'm reaching by equating "stone" to Casterly Rock, but consider just how many clues are in the regional/castle name -- i.e. Storm's End = Thor. King's Landing = Odin. The Twins = Freyr. Horn Hill = Heimdallr. Iron Islands = Njördr. Winterfell = Fenrir. Castle Black = Surtr. Dothraki Sea = Jormungand. The Eyrie = Thjazi, etc...
Yet, Casterly Rock doesn't have a whole lot to do with Tyr, as far as I can tell. Perhaps it's a reference to the Tiwaz rune, which was Tyr's rune, but that seems like a stretch to me. It's possible it's an allusion to Sigurd, and the Sigurd Stones, but that doesn't seem to fit quite as well as the others, either (since the Sigurd Stones are artifacts, rather than a part of Sigurd's mythology). So, it's possible Casterly Rock symbolizes the "stone dragons" -- i.e. the Targaryens of Casterly Rock, whereas Jon Snow is the "ice dragon" -- the Targaryen of the Wall. And Dany, of course, is the fire dragon -- the Targaryen of the Red Wastes.
Granted, some people think Tyrion is the stone dragon, but the prophecy refers to dragons plural, as in more than one. And as much as some people dislike the idea, I'm pretty sure Jaime & Cersei are Targs (which is related to Aerys role as Allfather -- i.e. Father of All the Gods, whereas Rhaegar, on the other hand, represents Aerys role as Valfather -- i.e. Father of the Slain; "Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly, and Rhaegar died").
So, that's how I see it -- ice, fire & stone dragons symbolize the various Targaryens spread throughout the world.
again it makes perfect sense! that's...just..idk awesome! big fan here! thx!Delete
hi, first- great blog, really a good read! but anon made me curious too, what do you think about "wake dragons out of stone" and what about lightbringer, do you think it's ice? plz keep going, this is too good! have a nice day :)ReplyDelete
okay you mentioned it may be ice, but he'd kill a lion and his wife(cersei or brienne), that makes me wonder if he kills tyrion, lancel or kevan???ReplyDelete
Thanks, glad you like the blog.Delete
I just answered the above question about stone dragons, so you may want to check that out. But as for Lightbringer -- I go back and forth with it, but I think there will probably be two; 1) Surtr's sword, which the Red Priests speak of, and 2) Tyr's sword -- the true "savior's" sword.
Because, if we look to the name itself -- Lightbringer -- that is a reference to Loki -- the fallen "light bringer" figure. And, it is Surtr, after all, who wields a sword that "shines brighter than the sun" (i.e. "darkness will flee before him"). So, I think that's what the Red Priests' are talking about -- the sword that will destroy the world, rather than save it -- whether they know it or not.
The sword Jaime/Brienne/Tommen carries is Ice -- Ned's old sword -- which I think could be the true "lightbringer" (i.e. the savior's sword). Because, if obsidian kills White Walkers, then perhaps "Ice" kills dragons (which could explain why the Targaryens signed a truce with the Starks rather than attack them -- because Lord Stark wielded Ice, the Dragonsbane. And this would also explain how Jaime/Sigurd kills Tyrion/Fafnir). Or, it could be that Ice kills both dragons and Others (i.e. Ice is Lightbringer "on ice" -- what they call it when the light goes out).
But clearly, in my mind, the lion that Azor Ahai kills will be Tyrion (which is related to the story of Sigurd & Fafnir). And as for Cersei's "valonqar", I've really gone back and forth with that as well. I could see it being Tyrion (even though that would seem to be a bit too obvious), but I think it's probably an allusion to the "hidden Targaryens" of Casterly Rock. Because, "valonqar" means "brother" in Valyrian. And, if Jaime & Cersei are Targaryen bastards, then they're Valyrian -- making Jaime Cersei's Valyrian brother -- i.e. her "valonqar".
So, if that's correct, that means Jaime will kill both Tyrion & Cersei (which is in line with his story, given the fact he's already killed his father, Aerys, in order to save the world). I imagine he too will die in Ragnarök (either killed by Garmr -- Rickon -- or Fenrir himself), so, in effect, "Azor Ahai" must sacrifice everything he has in order to save the world. Or, at least, that's my best guess at the moment.
wow thx! it all sums up when you explain it, it's amazing, i really think you hold the key to the series! now all other theories make no sense at all! keep going! this is awesome!Delete
I saw you had mentioned Ice and Lightbringer as potentially being the same swords, and how Jaime might use it. However, Ice was reforged into two smaller swords, one of which was presented to Brienne and renamed Oathkeeper, so while he might use a portion of Lightbringer (in the form of the sword that is given to Joffrey for his wedding), the sword would now be divided and his revenge would be "quenched" in the heart of Brienne.ReplyDelete
I may just be spitballing off small details though...
Love your work. I was questioning about the timeline until you explained it in the comments. I believe its a possibility.ReplyDelete
However there is are a few things i have been certain of since my first re-read.
1) AA will be the lord commander of the Nights Watch "I am the sword in the darkness, the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the shield that guards the realms of men"
I can see Jaime for-filling this as he has ignored Cersei's summons in a sense killing her, and once J, T & M bastard status becomes known then Jaime will be forced to take the Black, having killed his lover and the lion.
2) 3 heads has the dragon, 3 eyes has the crow (Bran BR Euron). Jon Tyrion & Dany all killed their mother to come into the world, and are all hinted/confirmed to be Targareans. The similarities are too close to ignore. Could these be the dragon's awakened? GRRM does refer to the Targs as dragons after all.
is it possible that all three jaime, cersei & tyrion could be aery's? Jaime's aunt has literally told him "You aren't Tywin's son". As you pointed out "His sister liked to think of herself as Lord Tywin with teats, but she was wrong. Their father had been as relentless and implacable as a glacier, where Cersei was all wildfire, especially when thwarted... She does not lack for wits but she has no judgement, and no patience".
The "Red" sun would be the "Red" Viper Martell, I like it. Also the smoke could refer to Jaime's wound being cauterized.ReplyDelete
What's intriguing about this theory is that it precludes being revealed within the books themselves. At the end of the story, no one will be able to say, "Oh, I guess Jaime was Azor Ahai all along, and those scenes with Brienne were the 'smoke and salt' that were referred to in the prophecy." I suppose Jaime and/or Brienne could piece it together, but Jaime will be dead, and Brienne -- if alive -- probably wouldn't be interested in the puzzle. It'll be left for us readers to put down the last book, compose ourselves after having our minds blown, and ask each other, "hey, so if Jaime was Azor Ahai, how can we make the prophecies 'work'?" You just happened to take care of this ahead of time (assuming you're correct).ReplyDelete
I think this would fit GRRM's "narratorless" style in general -- like the Hound's quiet farewell from events, we readers are expected to fill in the facts behind the scenes-at-hand -- composed of mundane things said, done, or noticed by POV characters -- all throughout. And really, your entire theory would never be revealed. I can't imagine GRRM typing "And thus ends the Song of Ice and Fire, aka Ragnarok." What bugs me about most people's theories is that they're too... I don't know, ego-fulfilling. GRRM would DEFINITELY never type "Jon Snow and Dany smooched all night long, confirming fanboy1234's theory."
By the way, I read through an adaptation of Ragnarok last night, mentally replacing Norse names with GRRM names: I have to say, your theory really, really works. I like it.
Thanks for this, really interesting - got me thinking!ReplyDelete
I've always wondered if GRRM has really showed any signs of slavishly following up the prophesies and portents in his series (this article suggests that he doesn't always do that). With that in mind I'm wondering if there are lots of story avenues which will be left as tantalizing ambiguities as a result - for example, Azor Ahai could just be bullshit, maybe Mel is just a conjurer of cheap tricks. Mel is particularly unreliable on this after all. Many assume the 'snow' she sees in her vision is Jon - maybe it is just snow? Maybe the lady in red is a red herring?
Also, GRRM's entire modus operandi in the writing of these books has been to opt for unexpected and visceral twists to protect the 'realism' [in massive inverted commas of course] of the series(see, Jaime's hand, Red Wedding, Ned's dead etc). I don't see why, given that previous truism, that he would follow all the tried and tested roads of Norse mythology for the ending of his epic series. Perhaps he will stew it all together, perhaps with a dash of more modern history, and write a parable for the future of our world.
Last point - I'm wondering about the politics of GRRM returning a Targ to the rule of the seven kingdoms. He describes a good number of them as total shits, totally over-privileged and with huge entitlement complexes. Is there any way that the rule of the Iron Throne is ended and the Seven Kingdoms become a more civilized and democratic land? Will the emancipation of the common folk of the likes of Flea Bottom be the "Dream of Spring"?
Also, just spotted you saying this above: But again, I have no more knowledge than anyone else, and I wouldn't be heartbroken, or anything like that, if it turns out he's not adapting the mythology. I just figured I'd start this blog to let everyone else in on what I was thinking. And, granted, I knew I was getting in deep when I started it, but I may have underestimated just how deep that was. Because the response has been pretty overwhelming. As you said, it will be nice to get a bit of break. It's so all-consuming for so many people, it can get pretty crazy.ReplyDelete
Which is a fucking great attitude and I mean that. Too many idiots with a theory will defend it to the ends of the earth, without proper backing. An excellent effort, even if I don't totally buy into it.
Anonymous, who is Frog:ReplyDelete
I've assumed for a long time that Jaime would be the hero he deserves to be (for slaying Aerys). Also, when we look at his story from the point of humans vs. magic,etc., isn't he the embodiment of humanity? Driven by lust (Cersei, glory), opportunistic at times, self-important, yet capable of extremely unselfish deeds?
On smoke and salt:
Well, the ham sold me, i.e. the way it was used on the TV show (Renly and the dinner with Bolton).
However, I'm not sold on the salt and smoke. I had assumed the smoke would indicate fire, not steam (but of course you need heat for steam) and the salt, well, tears. Yet I can't remember Jaime shedding tears, though he might have, telling his story to Brienne, conveniently in a steam bath where sweat might represent the salt...
Also, I think Jaime isn't fully reborn, yet. That is, his journey towards "change" hasn't ended. Whatever happens next with the BWB might well signify his rebirth. I believe there will be something significant for him to do soon.
The imagery of smoke and salt is too strong IMO, for GRRM to waste it on steam and ham. It just doesn't feel right to me that it should have happened already...
Dorian, reading this, is as much thought-inspiring as ASoIaF itself, thank you again.
Well, if it's of any use, Jaime did cry a lot - probably both physical and emotional pain - over the loss of his hand (the mercenaries -- and Bolton's men?) laughed about his tears.Delete
Good entry. I wanted to throw in some more clues about Jamie's "rebirth" as shown in the TV series. When Jamie collapses at the end of the bath scene, he's held by a naked Brienne and announces his name. IMO, it definitely evokes the idea of a birth, where newborns are cradled by their mothers and (typically) given their name.ReplyDelete
Could it also be that Tywin's speech to Jaime at roughly halfway through the first season of the show has some play on this? I watched the scene again, and the bit about family being all that lives on stuck out to me. Not any individual. Family being a metaphor for humanity. Could it be more foreshadowing that Jaime has to be ready to use his abilities to face off against the children for the good of all mankind, despite the fact that everyone he knows will die?ReplyDelete
I've only just stumbled across this and, as an asoiaf nut and a norse mythology lover, I think this is all brilliant. Certainly, you've convinced me of several parallels. It'll be interesting to see how much of your predictions come to light.ReplyDelete
One question - GRRM has publicly stated that several people will sit on the game of thrones before the series ends (post adwd that is). Obviously this means that Tommen will at the very least be deposed - most forumites over at westeros.org have him down as dead meat. Whats your view on this problem? Also, what could the 'golden shrouds' in Maggy the Frogs prophecy refer to if Tommen is not to die but instead rise to become a great king?
hi! have to ask you a question, since george rr martin himself made a clear connection between TPWWP and AA do you too think they are the same person!?ReplyDelete
i found a contradiction on your Ragnarok theory. if Bloodraven is the one creating all of these religions to further his masterplan, why would he make Jaime a real Azor Ahai? are you saying that in an ironic way, Jaime turned out to be the personification of Bloodravens tricks? or is it all part of the plan aswell?ReplyDelete
"If we take the example of Jesus, a savior is someone who defends the weak from the powerful. In other words, someone who defends people from other people.ReplyDelete
But, as opposed to the Roman world in which Jesus lived, tyrannical slavers are not the enemy."
you have quite a wrong account of the story of Jesus.
He actually is supposed to be the savior of everyone, including (and most of all) the guilty ones, and his main opponents are not the Romans, but the pharisees who insists that God only cares about the pure and the innocents and those who are without sins.
Seems like the Jesus savior type is therefore totally in line with the ASOIAF savoir type.
Thanks for the good read. Jaimy being the Azor Ahai person may very well be true, but I have numerous problems with your argumentation.ReplyDelete
First of all you relie too much on the nordish mythology connection. Martin has already stated many times that he is inspired by other stories/mythologies, but doesn't let the fate of his characters depend on the fate of similar characters in the stories that inspired him. Remember: he is writing his own story, he is not mimicing another story. The war of the roses, which is named as an important source for inspiration, has already been debunked as a source for Martin to inspire the end of the story, while it inspired him certainly.
So drawing all those connections between mythic creatures and ASOIAF characters, and predicting their fates through that seems to be way too much, imho.
Having said that, yes, the way you describe Jaimy as a saviour of every human being, both good and evil, in opposition to both Jon and Dany who are both more of the innocent-saviours, is a good catch!
Like I write in earlier comments to this blog, also the catch of oathbringer maybe being (a part of) lightbringer is a good catch. I'd combine it to Jaimy using it to kill Cercei, fulfilling the Valonquar prophecy, and being reborn that way as Azor Ahai.
The way you identified Jaimy as a person who is above all rules and etiquetes is true to the spot. He is maybe the only independant person. Even compared to the game-players (like Tyrion, Varys, LF) he seems to be truly independant, b/c the game players still stick to the rules of the game, and they intend to just place their own main character (or themselves) on the throne. They want to win the game. Jaimy doesn't care about the game, is not a part of the game, and can't be used as a pawn of the game.
The simple way he ended the besieging of Riverrun shows that easily.
He's very pragmatic.
Both most important: it's totally GRRM to transform the most evil character from the beginning of the story (twincest child murdering prince charming who insults all the good guys) into the hero. While at the same time both innocent characters from the beginning (Dany and Bran) are clearly being transformed into the main villains of Ice and Fire.
I do not believe that Jon will be evil as well, his mystery is in the secret targ story-line. Remember that he has no real power, like Bran and Dany. Neither was he innocent (like Dany and Bran) when things started. (well, not that innocent).
I do believe that Jon will be king in the end.
He's the 2nd ice and fire analogy in the books.
Dany / Bran are Ice & Fire in a supernatural (Dragons / White Walkers) while Jon unifies the human branches of Ice & Fire (Targaryen and Stark). Him being the future king has already been foreshadowed by the raven calling him King, the nightwatch oath mentioning 'being no king', the kingsroad that leaves to the nightswatch, etc.
So that also leads me into disagreeing with your Tommen as a future king idea. That's not going to happen. You depend way too much on very little text for that. You're reading things b/c you want to read them. Tommen will never be able to unify Westeros, b/c he's a bastard child out of twincest of the hated house Lannister.
Jon, being the true son of Rheagar, who is loved all over Westeros, will be the only one being able to unite the kingdom.
The ending must be bittersweet b/c maybe all other characters died, except for Jon?
I am wondering isn't the "salt" referring to Victarion Greyjoy?ReplyDelete
This is amazing!!!!! You are fantastic!ReplyDelete
Most of this seems legit, some doesn't. Cersei and Jaime's appearance doesn't fit the Targarian's. They have GOLD hair and GREEN eyes. The Dragons don't look anything like that. They have SILVER hair and PURPLE eyes. But the fact that Aerys had a thing for Joanna, and Payne's tongue, I'm willing to believe your theory.ReplyDelete
Also Ned didn't blindly follow orders, he blindly followed honor. When he was ordered to kill Daenerys to save thousands he didn't do it, cause it wasn't honorable. So I don't think he would have killed his father for the sake of his king's orders.
But it was an interesting read nevertheless, and your Norse analogies hold water for the most part. But even if GRRM did base most of the books on the Norse stories he didn't base all of them, so many things discussed here might never happen. (Tyrion dies by Jaime's hand). One can only hope
Jon Snow (Rheagar X Lyanna) does not have silver hair and purple eyes either tho.Delete
I think the Targ coloring is related to their incest - when Targs mate out of the family different colorations occur (can't cite chapter and verse on this). Always thought the thing about Baratheons ALWAYS having black haired sons was just a little too much.Delete
I just read a little passage that said "Surtr advances from the south his sword brighter than the sun" I think that Surtr could be The Mountain, he has the black stuff bubbling out of his mask in the vision and he's been reborn in the light of the faith. It would also be a very unexpected twist for Martin to take with the story.ReplyDelete
This is an interesting thesis, but I remain unconvinced for several reasons:ReplyDelete
Cersei as Frigg - Cersei does not have the power of prophecy, rather Cersei is plagued by prophecies, the two prophecies Maggy the frog made in regards to her future. The first one may have come true in the form of Margeary Tyrell (a younger, more beautiful queen being Cersei's undoing). The first part of the second prophecy has come true (the number of children Robert and Cersei sire individually), and the second part has already begun to come true (Cersei outlasting her children then being killed by the valonqar). (There was a third prophecy that came true almost immediately, but that one was about Cersei’s friend, not Cersei, though it does prove that Maggy is not just some fraud but has the power of prophecy).
It is the second prophecy that I want to focus on. Even though I have already stated that Cersei is not prophetic but rather plagued by prophecy (which runs contrary to the author's Frigga argument). The second prophecy, as mentioned, states that Cersei’s three children (Joffrey, Tommen and Myrcella) will all die before the valonqar chokes Cersei to death. Whether the valonqar is Jaime or Tyrion is a matter open for debate, but in either case, this prophecy runs contrary to another of the author's points (and another reason why I remain unconvinced):
Tommen cannot be king and therefore cannot be Vidarr of Norse mythology - it stands to reason that if all of Cersei's children must die before Cersei, that her children have a shelf life, and will probably not see the next Spring. Now, it is entirely possible that keeping with the Azor Azai legend, Jaime may kill Tommen (in keeping with the sacrificing for the greater good), but I doubt that, because Jaime has already elicited feelings of wanting to be closer to his son AND as we saw from Joffrey's death, the deaths of Cersei's children need not be by the hand of the valonqar, only Cersei's death will be. In any case though, Tommen will die.
Jaime and Cersei being Aerys's children - In the books, it is commonly stated that Aerys lusted after Joanna, but as far as we know, he only took certain liberties during the bedding ritual when she had been disrobed. To say that Ilyn Payne had his tongue cut so that he could not repeat what he saw dismisses the fact that half the room probably saw it if it did happen. As well, Tywin would still have been in the room, and from what we know of Tywin, would most likely have killed Aerys himself for attempting such a thing. On top of this, in the books and the TV series, Tywin shows genuine care for his children, both in the TV series (where he tells Arya of how he taught Jaime to read) to also constantly reaffirming to them that they are his children (as well as to his war council ‘They have my son!’). Considering the way that we know Tywin treats Tyrion for being a dwarf, it stands to reason that if he knew that Jaime and Cersei were not his spawn, he would treat them just as harshly.
Those are the main reasons why I am not convinced of your thesis, as interesting and refreshingly different as it was. In fact, after reading this, I am sort of hoping that Jaime is the Prince that was Promised, especially after reading his viewpoints, where I grew to actually respect his as a character, but I remain sceptical of that eventuating.Delete
Also, a few things to note in regards to your thesis that I take issue with. Jon is actually a saviour of all humanity, and someone who is just as difficult and complex as Jaime. He broke his vows to alert his brothers of the coming wildlings and infiltrate the wildling camps, he betrayed the woman he loved for his vows and, after defeating the wildlings, offered them shelter behind the wall, arguing with the First Steward that the Night’s watch guards the realms of men, not just the seven kingdoms. In regards to not protecting people like Ramsay Bolton, not true. He would, which is why he is at the wall, to guard to realms of ALL men. It just so happened that Ramsay Bolton provoked him. However, if in that same situation, it had been Jaime Lannister instead of Jon Snow, we would not have batted an eyelid or argued that he was forsaking his vows, because that is what Jaime has done, just as Jon Snow has, to protect people. Now, I’m not sure that Jon is the Prince that was Promised, I do believe that he is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna Stark, however, and possibly the third head of the dragon. There is also a passage from Melisandre where she talks about looking into her flames, asking for a glimpse of the Prince who was Promised (wanting to see Stannis) but only ever seeing Snow. Now, this may indicate that Jon is the Prince, it may also be that if he is the third head and necessary to the Prince, that he needs be protected, or it might just be that R’Hllor likes Jon, who knows? But there are plenty of vague prophecies and mystic sights that muddy the water in regards to Jon.
As for Dany not wishing to lift a finger to save slavers, I disagree. Dany has had to make hard choices throughout her campaign against the slavers at Slaver’s bay. She is learning, and she walks a fine line trying to please everyone, though that is almost impossible. Dany is fighting for humanity, she wishes all people to live harmoniously, just because she is not perfect at it does not mean she is not fighting for it.
Another issue, your thesis fails to take into account Prince Aegon. He is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen, and there was a comet above King’s Landing on the night of his birth. Regardless of whether or not he is the Prince, it still is a huge point that you have missed out on, and important plot point to the overall story arc.
Also, final issue. Pretty certain that the Children of the Forest are working against the white walkers. For them to run contrary to the light would suggest that they are the enemy, which I sorely doubt.
everybody is doing for the greater good for their point of view, that's the catch. Jaime was selfish his whole life, the kingslayer thing was just a major point of it - the hole sacrifice will come after, in the end to complete his "circle" - and BECAUSE of the destruction caused by a crazy woman with dragons, a teenager warrior with a lot of grudge (he was raised like a bastard, without a mother's love, blablabla and try to prove himself too much, always broken his promise because it is the right thing to do at the time), tree damage children who turn into major wolves and have a lot of payback thoughts (one of them with a weirdo dude to instruct him how to fly - for do peace you say?). Yeah, they look ok to rule the men´s world for me too.Delete
Scary and amazing. This give me lots of chills. But I don't get one thing: isn't Bran trying to save people? I mean, by fighting the white walkers? Or are the children of the forest evil, and they're trying to take Bran to their side to destroy humankind?ReplyDelete
And why would Jaime be a "dragonslayer", if it seems Daenerys dragons are meant to fight against the cold, and (I don't even think se'l get close to the iron throne) not necessarialy kill people for power?
I don't get the love for Tommen. He's done nothing special and it weakens your theory significantly, because Tommen will die. See http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/Prophecies/Entry/1827/ Maggy the Frog's prophecies have all come true so far. And with the way things are going in King's Landing, I don't think he has a chance.ReplyDelete
I don't know if it has already been discussed here (my apologies for not reading the entirety of the comments section), but my pet theory on the valonqar has been that he is neither Jaime nor Tyrion.ReplyDelete
In FfC and DwD we see that Cersei has been put on trial by the Church for her crimes, and she has selected trial by combat to prove her innocence. We also know that Robert Strong will be her champion in this battle. I don't think it's been confirmed in the books, but I have always been under the impression that Robert Strong is the resurrected corpse of Gregor Clegane (his size and the fact he never removes his helmet being the primary evidence). A beautiful (to me anyway) fulfillment of the valonqar prophecy would be Robert Strong (Gregor) meeting his end in defense of Cersei to a champion of the Church -- the Hound. We know (or suspect) that Sandor has been taken in by the Church and possibly converted fully to the faith of the seven. His being chosen as their champion in Cersei's trial would finally provide him with retribution for Gregor's abuses while simultaneously bringing Cersei's death at the hands of the "little brother," just not hers. This also dovetails nicely with GRRM's habit of misleading readers as to the true meanings of his many prophesies.
I like this theory because it was Jaimes decision not to came back for his sister, so he causes her dead fulfilling the destiny of Sigurd/Tyr of complete sacrifice - and in the dream he had of his future fight with Tyrion, Cersei was there like she was another of the ghosts - unlike Brienne and Jaime himself - so maybe she will be long dead before this happen.Delete
Dude, you nailed it. Hail to Sandor Clegane.Delete
I love the idea of Jaime as Azor Ahai and Tyr. It fits far better than even Jon or Dany. That being said, there is another parallel outside of Norse myth and Ragnarok: the Irish legend of Nuada Silver Hand (or Lludd Llaw Eraint in the Welsh version). King Nuada of the Tuatha de Dannan loses his hand in battle, and since the maimed man can't be king, he has a silver one fashioned. It's a very interesting tale.
One thing that always bothered me was the absence of the real sword. Stannis may call his Lightbringer (ie, Lucifer), but there though it's bright there is no heat.
Nuada's sword Claíomh Solais was known as the Sword of Light or the Shining Sword. There is also Dyrnwyn, the Sword of Rhydderch Hael, which burns fire when touched by a worthy man.
may sound simple compared to the rest but GO TEAM STARK WOOO!ReplyDelete
This is a great blog, i'm glad I stumbled on it!ReplyDelete
I have one question though, doesn't the timeline of events not work out here? Jamie has his Bath and Dinner before Oberyn is killed while the prophecy says 'when the red star bleeds' rather than 'after the red star bleeds' that Azor Ahai shall be reborn amongst smoke and salt. It does sounds very GRRM though and i'd love it to be true personally but i'm not sure if works out. You're definitely on to something here though with Ragnorak and it's a great read.
Also I just thought, if the Red Star is indeed a Martell how will that be told to the 'players' in ASOIAF. Nobody in that time (taking it for granted it's set in Medieval times) would know that the Sun can is really a Star and the Red Comet is not. Nitpicking here again but Oberyn mostly got his head crushed in rather than particularly bleeding to death. Think it would make more sense to be 'When the Red star is crushed' if it refers to Oberyn since that's what really happens.
Really great blog though and I look forward to reading the other entries!
Like many, this whole theory resonates with me despite not being 100% convincing.ReplyDelete
I looked up a couple of things to see if there were any more parallels and noticed that Tyr in the pre-Odin/Thor age was also associated with oaths, justice and honour. Jamie too is heavily associated with oaths, be it breaking them, making them, or having others (Brienne, new Kingsguard members) swear them. His sword (albeit given away) is even called Oathkeeper and he has that conversation with Catelyn where he explains his disdain for oaths and the myriad ways they contradict each other, etc.
(this parallel comes entirely from reading the follow website and I don't know how accurate it is, though the oath part is referenced with an academic book so y'know: http://norse-mythology.org/gods-and-creatures/the-aesir-gods-and-goddesses/tyr/)
I believe that you are missing the point here, Joffrey had a spoiled character because of the love of his mother and that helped to turn him in a major asshole with power on his hand. That was Martin interpretation of Baldr - as Dorian theory sees.Delete
This seems more and more likely after the first show of the 4th season. Really leaning toward Jaime doing something spectacular and having Light Bringer.ReplyDelete
I only have one issue with the article, and someone else brought it up but you haven't replied. You say that Ned "let others think for him", and I have to disagree. He turned in his badge when Robert wanted him to send an asassain for Dany, and he also changed a few words in Robert's will as he saw fit (leaving out Joff's name and putting in "the heir"). As another person commented, Ned didn't blindly follow others, he blindly followed honor.
This is really well thought out and convincing, but I would be disappointed if it was true. It reduces all the female characters to mere side players and distractions, when one of the reasons I have loved the books so much is because of the strong, well-rounded, faulted, well-written, and important female characters which is unfortunately lacking in many (maybe even most) stories in this genre.ReplyDelete
as a woman myself I don't understand the implication, the female characters will continue to be the same - agents of man (Brienne), goddesses (Cersei, Sansa - who we yet dont know how will end up even in this theory) and major "monsters" (Dani, Arya, Melisandre)Delete
Hi there Dorian. Just want to say that I love your theory of Jamie as Azor Ahai, but I have a suggestion if that's ok?ReplyDelete
I too think that most of your prophesy fits with Jamie, but like some other folks on here, I'm not sold on the salt and smoke part. So I got to thinking about this one part of the prophesy.
I personally feel that Jamie is 'reborn' once he starts breaking away from Cersei and her corrupting influence. This starts happening as soon as he sees her again in ASOS, part 2. It is a Jamie POV chapter, the one that starts 'The King is Dead'.
There are several things in this chapter which point to this being the time when Jamie is being 'reborn'. 1. Several characters don't recognise him; 'The man did not recognise the bearded one-handed knight....'Your face is changed, and your arms as well'....'Who in seven hells are you?'
Smoke....well, we have 'the smell of incense hung heavy in the air, and a hundred candles burned....'
Salt....Cersei's tears: 'She rose, her eyes brimming with tears'.
They have sex; he orgasms, also known as 'la petite mort' 'little death'. Note the phrase 'Jamie lost himself in her flesh'. We have more salt (Jamie's seed) if we are being a little more graphic. And we have blood, as Cersei is 'on'....nice parallel there with childbirth.
Cersei immediately rejects him after this moment; the relationship is damaged, and Jamie is never the same again. Note Cersei afterwards 'No, it's more, you're changed'.
And how does this chapter end? With Jamie standing up to his father 'He was sick of it, sick of lords and lies, sick of his father, his sister, sick of the whole bloody business'. Oberyn Martell (your red sun) gets a quick mention here too. The final paragraph 'You are not my son.....Very well ser. Go do your duty'.
THIS is the moment where Jamie is reborn, IMHO.
Yeah, and all of this happened after the bath.Delete
I dont understand why people are hanging so hard on this theory that the sky will open up and drums will play when the rebirth will (or not) happen. Man, if it was like this that Azor Ahai "showed up" it was a genius thing to do, because Martin described it like a mundane but profound thing, it was at that scene that Jaime finally opened up about one of his most important actions, that saves numbers of lifes and disgrace him forever. The same fact that sure as didn't hell help us to like him in the beginning, so yeah, this is genius, and just much after that Martin truly put up the weight that this transformation (that could be gradual sure, he still is changing) would lend him - and the world for that matter.
Jesus was/is the savior for all of humanity. The initial premise is off and needs to be edited.ReplyDelete
There are a few reasons that I remain unconvinced by your thesis, after having a look through Norse Mythology, chiefly:ReplyDelete
Ragnarok, Hoddmimis Holt and Fimbulvetr.
If we take your thesis that GRRM is basing his story off of North Mythology, we need to therefore assume that this coming winter, alongside the White Walkers, will be none other than Fimbulvetr, the ‘Might Winter’ that precedes Ragnarok. We already know that this winter will be a long one (Fibulvetr is essentially three successive winters which, by the way seasons run in the ASOIF’s world, will be a LONG time).
That would make the current War of Five Kings and the other calamities depicted as the events of Ragnarok, no dramas there.
But the survivors of Ragnarok and the Fimbulvetr, Lif and Lifprasir, survive by hiding in the woods of Hoddmimis Holt, which many speculate as being… Yggdrasill. Literally, hiding in a tree.
Bran, Meera, Jojen, the Children, Hodor and the Three-Eyed Crow are hiding in a tree.
Norse mythology has creation, has people being born from trees. If this were the case, it would refute your idea that the Children of the Forest and the Old Gods as being the darkness, the evil. If anything, they will be the survivors, the ones who will survive the winter and repopulate the Earth (I don’t think it will go that far). However, they did not bring about the events of Ragnarok, the gods did, which I think goes to say that the Children and the old gods are not bringing about this end times, but rather, the active choice of most to ignore the pleas of the Night’s Watch.
I can't stress enough that I am all on board for your theories, this is amazing. My friend and I have been talking about them for 2 days straight.ReplyDelete
Our only problem is: if all of this is accurate, and the Children are basically stacking the deck via the Others and Dragons, how in good hell is Jaime, even as Azor, going to defeat them? With no magic and presumably no dragons (since he is the Dragon Slayer), I mean, it seems like he's pretty much screwed, and I don't see how he's going to save humanity. I don't think it makes the theories wrong, it just feels like it doesn't address the straight tactical issues. If we missed something, please fill us in, this is so awesome.
With Ned valyrian sword (ice against fire), I believe Dorian wrote a post before talking about the swordsDelete
But as for Lightbringer -- I go back and forth with it, but I think there will probably be two; 1) Surtr's sword, which the Red Priests speak of, and 2) Tyr's sword -- the true "savior's" sword.
Because, if we look to the name itself -- Lightbringer -- that is a reference to Loki -- the fallen "light bringer" figure. And, it is Surtr, after all, who wields a sword that "shines brighter than the sun" (i.e. "darkness will flee before him"). So, I think that's what the Red Priests' are talking about -- the sword that will destroy the world, rather than save it -- whether they know it or not.
The sword Jaime/Brienne/Tommen carries is Ice -- Ned's old sword -- which I think could be the true "lightbringer" (i.e. the savior's sword). Because, if obsidian kills White Walkers, then perhaps "Ice" kills dragons (which could explain why the Targaryens signed a truce with the Starks rather than attack them -- because Lord Stark wielded Ice, the Dragonsbane. And this would also explain how Jaime/Sigurd kills Tyrion/Fafnir). Or, it could be that Ice kills both dragons and Others (i.e. Ice is Lightbringer "on ice" -- what they call it when the light goes out).
But clearly, in my mind, the lion that Azor Ahai kills will be Tyrion (which is related to the story of Sigurd & Fafnir). And as for Cersei's "valonqar", I've really gone back and forth with that as well. I could see it being Tyrion (even though that would seem to be a bit too obvious), but I think it's probably an allusion to the "hidden Targaryens" of Casterly Rock. Because, "valonqar" means "brother" in Valyrian. And, if Jaime & Cersei are Targaryen bastards, then they're Valyrian -- making Jaime Cersei's Valyrian brother -- i.e. her "valonqar".
So, if that's correct, that means Jaime will kill both Tyrion & Cersei (which is in line with his story, given the fact he's already killed his father, Aerys, in order to save the world). I imagine he too will die in Ragnarök (either killed by Garmr -- Rickon -- or Fenrir himself), so, in effect, "Azor Ahai" must sacrifice everything he has in order to save the world. Or, at least, that's my best guess at the moment.
I agree, I think Jamie is killed in order that Tommen brings a new world. I remember the story Cersei told Tommen (that Martin wrote) about all the animals bowing down to Tommen. Cersei was trying to calm him down at the Battle of Blackwater. A clue, foreshadowing or what have you, doubt if Martin or the TV show would have wasted the time and effort if it didn't have great deal of meaning.Delete
i feel there are more foreshadowings of tyrion being aerys' bastardReplyDelete
Interesting post, but I just can't buy it. You lost me at the fulfillment of the "smoke and salt" prophecy being Jaime eating ham. I went back and read that chapter in the book (A Storm of Swords, chapter 37), and they weren't even eating ham! And just to get to that point, you have to take some pretty serious liberties with other parts of the prophecy: being transferred from your captor to the guy who's going to pay your ransom signifies rebirth? Steam in a bath is smoke? And why is that scene necessarily the moment of Jaime's "rebirth?" You could point to at least a dozen events in his story that contribute at least as much to his growth as a character.ReplyDelete
I'm not saying there isn't some obvious Norse influence in the series, or that all of these correspondences are bogus, or even that there's no way Jaime could be Azor Ahai. But it's not just that specific theory; you frequently cite fairly tenuous similarities as rock solid evidence for other theories, and simply gloss over the many places where the two worlds don't line up. (And given how interreliant all of your theories are, you wouldn't have to be wrong about many for the whole chain to fall apart.) What you're doing here is basically numerology: cherry-picking random details from an abundance of chaos and using them to justify conclusions you want to be true.
But even if I think this is all BS, it was a very interesting read, and I just ordered myself copies of Volsunga Saga and the Prose Edda. So thanks for that, at least. :)
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The scene with the ham was on the TV Series, one of various things that Martin gave to us and confirmed at least part of this theory.Delete
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In one of your previous posts (May 5), you list Rickon Stark as representative of Garmr, but in this one you say that Gregor Clegane represents Garmr. I assume that's a slip and thought I'd mention it. I believe that both of them fit the role very well, but young Rickon and Shaggydog are a better fit. Great theory. I love both ASoIaF and Norse mythology, so both posts were a lot of fun to read.ReplyDelete
Just a question: Shouldn't Tommen die? I remember in Cercei's prophecy something along the lines: " Gold should be their shrouds, gold shall be their crowns"? I did expected some ending similar to which you described as I don't see Dany, nor Jon, nor Jaime, nor Tyrion surviving, so great theory :DReplyDelete
What a genius interpretation. Of course, I like every paragraph, I'll point out just one: I love the explanation about why Jaime was missing the entire second book, because I remember perfectly that, while I was reading that book, I was constantly wondering: Where is Jaime? I want to read what he was doing! The book one, awesome, but it was all about the Starks PoV, somehow I knew Jaime's side of the story was a juicy one and to read Jaime was going to change some things in the whole picture.ReplyDelete
Thank you for sharing your analysis, I've learn a lot and I have a lot of fun with it. I'm sure I'll re-read it. :-)
I doubt you check these comments anymore, but The World of Ice and Fire pretty much eliminates the possibility of Jamie being anything other than the son of Tywin. Soon after Tywin and Joanna's wedding in 263, she was dismissed by Rhaella and returned to Casterly Rock. It goes on to say she rarely visited King's Landing afterward and we know Aerys remained exclusively in King's Landing. TWOIAF also mentions a time she did visit, but that was in 272, well after 265/266 when Jamie and Cersei were conceived.ReplyDelete
Also your Ilyn Payne theory is wrong because I'm pretty sure TWOIAF mentions that he had his tongue removed for mentioning that Tywin ran the kingdom, not Aerys
But did not Aerys claim the kings right to bed Joanna after her and tywins wedding. That couldve been the time jamie and cercei were conceived. It is not known for sure, but id put my money on it. And something this guy said about the irony of the children Tywin was so proud of not even his, and maybe the reason he hated Tyrion so much is becasue he knows tht he is tryions father, that Aerys got the last laugh. That Tywins own seed killed his Joanna, not Aerys' that all his pride tiurned to shame because his only true line was a dwarf and Tyrion was a painful reminder of his failiure in life, that he was not a proud lion but a pawn played by Aerys even beyond the grave.Delete
Im a new fan, and from the moment i opened the book and watched the show I had a strong feeling Jamie was going to be esppecially important.ReplyDelete
I was wondering if the first forge of AA s sword and the shatter of the castleforged sword could be JLs swordarm. Also the slaying of the lion in his heart could be JL turning down Tywin when offered to rule in casterly rock, and if the final forge could be briene giving her life for him in the confrontatiion with LSH at the end of ADOD. Perhaps a trial by combat with the first woman tht he Truly loved after his life changed. Lightbringer could be metaphorical as well a light that pierces through darkness could be anything. And he seems to also resemble king authur in some ways as well. He seems to be the hero or the matyr for the end game, a human who will spread love so intensly in a moment of importance that none will forget. Leaving the torch lit for the promised. Or maybe they all die in the end, or they are all possibilities much like in HP and the prophicies all hold truth but theright choice must be made by the right character in order to come true
Aye, great summary and research. I too believe that Jamie is Azor Ahai. But I think the steam and ham thing is not the proof.ReplyDelete
For pointing out Oberyn Martell as being the bloody part of the prophecy, I congratulate – I didn't think of this, but agreed that the comet is too obvious to be the red star.
As mentioned before, Jaime is dreaming under a weirwood (which is always involved in fortelling the future) of himelf and Brienne naked in the darkness, holding swords alight with fire (naked we are born, as Jaime is, but in his case it is the forshadowing of being reborn). He tells her „no lion, no bear lives in the darkness, only doom“. Brienne being part of this makes me strongly believe that she will be somehow Jaime's sidekick when it comes to rescue mankind.
Jaime already started with killing Aerys and giving a shit for oaths or pride-soaked honour. Clinging to oaths, as we know it, save no lifes (Hey Ned), but being human does. And Jaime is the most human of them all, by pushing Bran out of the window („the things I do for love“), not mourning Joffrey for the asshole he was and by saving gold-hearted Brienne, although he, at first sight, does not benefit from these actions. In contrary, it puts him in danger himself ,but he does not care, he sees Brienne as he sees her in his dream – a beautiful and strong human being, worth saving. He sees her innocence, inside and outside (despite all hindrances, still being a virgin, thanks to him) and this triggers new Jaime.
Brienne has Oathkeeper, but will break a vow, realizing the wothlessness of an empty oath, deciding not to deliver him to Lady Stoneheart, same as Jaime refused to sacrifice the people of Kings Landing. She will finally see what it really is about – humanity - and not fucking oaths as well as not being a lady, as she doesn't get tired to repeat. So, in her way, she will be reborn, too.
In my opinion, the moment of Jaime being reborn Azor Ahai is when he abandonds Cersei.
He receives her letter, stained with her TEARS (salt!) where she pleads that she never needed him more, adding 3x „I love you“. This is what old Jaime always longed for. But Jaime reborn gives a shit about her anymore, seeing her how she really is, a lunatic bitch who is destroying the realm/humanity,. Finally rising above his old self to some new level, he BURNS her letter (smoke!) and in this game-changing moment, Jaime is reborn amongst "salt and smoke".
I support the idea of Sandor Clegane being the valonquar by killing fucking Robert Strong aka Gregor Clegane as the champion of the Seven. The Elderly Brother will see to it.
For a while I thought is will be Tommen, but Sandor fits better- and it „supports the „being reborn“ theme, as Tommen does in being "the prince that was promised".
As Eldery Brother tells Brienne (what a coincidence) that „the Hound“ is dead and Sandor Clegane „at rest“, he refers to "the Hound" being a part of Sandors personality, which has perished. Sandor himself is somewhat at peace, but alive (the gravedigger).
This makes him the third person reborn, and as Jaime, and I predict future Brienne,will deliberate himself of the last chains, which he started by refusing getting knighed (same as Brienne stating that she is no lady, he states he is no ser) deserting and „being his own dog“ and will be in perfection when he rids himself from the Mountain in the combat that will seal Cersei's fate and lead to her death.
I'm right with you. The steam and the mismatch of roast beef (books) / ham (TV) is not conclusive for me. But the letter from Cersei? F#ck and yes. In Christian rebirth, there is an distinct and active choice and that's exactly what happens with Jaime. He forgoes his nature (plowing Cersei) and chooses a greater good (ending the war). The salt and the smoke fit so much better. Perhaps we see the letter scene this season on the show, albeit in Dorne rather than the Riverlands.Delete
As for Sandor returning to dual Gregor/Robert Strong? Goodness gracious that would be amazing. That would dwarf all the previous duals (Sandor/Beric, Jaime/Brienne, Ned/Jaime, Bronn/Hapless Vale Knight) put together. You got my hopes up fuckingpopqueers.
Basically a WWE-style reveal, "IS THAT SANDOR'S MUSIC!!?!?!?!"
Thanks Anonymous! It really jumped on me while rereading, and I am very sure this letter is game-changing, and Jaime's destiny is being a saviour. A real saviour, for the sake of people, not like Dany.Delete
But For Sandor being the vlonquar, it is more a wet dream, for he is too weak from his wounds, and why should the Faith chose a novice when they have knights. But whatever, I still have high hopes that Sandor will get his final peae by killing Gregor, but probbly not in the combat gainst Robert Strong. AND; Sandor wouldn't know he fights Gregor.And this is something, in my opinion, he needs to know to be unbreakable. Let's keep on hoping that our Hound will kick ass again!
I kind of wonder about the obsession with 'the Hound' being so terrified of fire. Does that die with 'the Hound' persona as well? Could be interesting...Delete
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Okay, I'm convinced of all the Azor Ahai theories. Everybody who works to save humanity is Azor Ahai, and any weapon useful in the fight is Lightbringer. So There.ReplyDelete
I do not understand, why a movie about the Volsunga Saga was never made? The story is so great, that it asks for a big movie, or in my oppinion a movie trilogy, like the Hobbit, because all the story will not fit in a 3 hours movie. In my oppinion is better to make a movie about a real European legend, which has in it plenty of history (the era of Attila the Hun, the relations of the Germainc tribes from Skandinavia and Central Europe, backed by the new historical researches too, like the works about the fate of the Heruls of Troels Brandt) and mytology (the fascinating world of the Germanic gods, which in many aspects are so human) as well, than to make films about some new novels filled with elements from the same Norse mythology (Tolkien, Game of Thrones, etc.). Why nobody makes a movie about the source of all of these? From about 20 years I am waiting that somebody will make a movie about the Völsunga Saga, and a TV series about the story of the Norse Gods from the creation of the World to the Ragnarök (The End of the Gods and the World), and the emerging of the new world, using the stories, struggles of Odin, Thor, Loki, Frigg, etc., but without the interventions of the hollywoodian stories which start the story from the modern world (like in Thor), and put in the action some guy who is stronger and more clever than the Gods themselfs, and of course his sexy lover, or the obligatory happy end, clothes, weapons, scenes which do not reflect the epoch or the culture which the movie tries to show, and other routine hollywoodian stuff. I am waiting for a movie which shows only what the ancient myths and legends are telling us, and nothing else (maybe a MINOR intervention of the scenarist, where contradiction in the story sometimes occur, but using the help of an expert in the Norse mythology! ), brought to life by the modern technology, and film effects. Is there any chance to see movies or series like this in my lifetime?ReplyDelete
I'm not convinced it's a 1:1 telling of Ragnarok sagas, based on the fact that GRRM thinks Zelazny's Lord of Light one of the best 5 sf books ever written (quote from cover of my copy of that book) and he was a personal friend of Zelazny and confirmed he used the title "Lord of Light" and the name "Sam" (in Zelazny's book that's short for Buddha, Lord of Light, Mahasamatman, dropping the Maha and the atman to call himself simply Sam) as a referral to Zelazny's '68 book. Why is this significant: Lord of Light involves Hindu and Buddhist mythology, but not 1:1. It's a story of people who colonize a planet and pretend to be Hindu gods over the original beings of the planet, and having a machine to reincarnate or have a god reborn (with another soul of someone else). Sam rebels against the all power over these phony gods and does it by actually reinacting some of Buddha's works (but in fact he's a charlatan). Meanwhile who is in which god's body switches all the time.ReplyDelete
P 14 of the book (6th page of text) has a quote, "Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass."
I have the impression that inspired by Zelazny's warping of the Hindu and Buddhist mythology, GRRM may attempt to do something similar with Ragnarok gods and themes and legends and stories. However, just as Zelazny's work isn't 1:1 it won't be for aSoIaF either.
I agree that Jaime fits the imagery of Tyr (with the loss of his hand, and how he attempts to settle things in the Riverlands). Tyr is fated to kill and be killed by the Gram, the Hound. Now, in the books, the Hound has been transferred to several persons, at present on the head of Lem Lemoncloal of the BwB. Brienne even mentions 'the Hound' in her lie to lure Jaime.
Gram (Lem as Hound) guards Hel, which is located under one of the three roots of Ygrdrasil. Hollow Hill is an underground realm with weirwood roots. And the present ruler of that place is Lady Stoneheart, a ghoulish fierce-looking woman who's both black as flesh skinned and very much look likes the silent sister of the Stranger. In this setting LS would be Hel, the half-goddess or Loki's daughter.
So, basically we have Tyr being brought to Hel with Hel as a ruler and Gram present. And with these Ragnarok anologies I would argue one could expect a duel between Lem and Jaime being fought in Hollow Hill, and both of them dying.
To add: When it comes to Cersei and Brienne, Jaime rather seems to fit Freyr more than Tyr. Freyr is Freya's twin brother, both born out of an incestuous relaltionship of their parents. In the Lokasenna Loki accuses them of having slept together during the insult-flyting. Freyr falls heavily for the maiden Gerda and sends his squire with a given horse and his magical sword to woo Gerda for him. The squire tries first to woo Gerda with gifts, which she says she doesn't need because she shares in her father's castle and wealth (is his heir in other words). Then he threatens her with maiming and chopping off her head, and she says there will be battle before she lets a man cajole her into anything. Eventually the squire threatens Gerda with his magic wand, telling her he can make her life so miserable that she'll be gawked at, scorned, gaped on by everyone; that's she'll be without any husband for all of her life, despairing and lonely, and so on. And thus Gerda finally agrees to wed Freyr, in 9 days time at a certain grove/island (depending on the scholarly interpretation or arguments).Delete
Meanwhile Cersei isn't always Freya either. There's also golden haired Sif, the wife of Thor (Robert). She has 2 sons and 1 daughter with Thor (one's called Angry). Both Odin in disguise and Loki accuse Sif of having a lover, both times in a slander flyting, one time to Thor, the other occasion in the Lokasenna. The interesting thing about Sif is that Loki at one point pulls a prank on her and cuts off her beautiful, golden hair.
Whatever a aSoIaF character Norse role has in the books depends on the situation and in relation to whom, and isn't a constancy.
“ I dreamed of the man who came today, the one they call Reek. You and your brother lay dead at his feet, and he was skinning off your faces with a long red blade. ”ReplyDelete
– Jojen, to Bran Stark
If Bran is to face off against Jamie then where does Ramsey come in? At the time of this Green Dream he was masquerading as "Reek" and is who Jojen is referring to. This is pretty clear evidence that Bran and Ricken will meet their end at the hands of Ramsey Bolton.
You might be wrong on Tyr, but you are definitely wrong on Azor Ahai (um, HELLO, which Norse Mythology character wields a big FLAMING SWORD? Surtr...).ReplyDelete
Either Tyr is Jaime or TYRion. Just because Jaime lost a hand is no reason to assume that he's Tyr.
TYRion had a "hand" at one point to... as Hand to the King. (and led a marvelous defense of King's Landing, and is FAR more cognizent of LAW than Jaime, which is important for Tyr).
Either way, even if Jaime is Tyr, he ISN'T Azor Ahai. First of all, Surtr is the one with the FLAMING SWORD, not Tyr. Jon is likely to be Surtr obviously- and therefore AZOR AHAI... um... FLAMING SWORD anyone? LIGHTBRINGER ring a bell? Second, "I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai, and R’hllor shows me only Snow." Come on, man. And third, who said Azor Ahai was going to save humanity? Has R’hllor EVER done something that was entirely beneficial to humanity? Nope. Azor Ahai is going to destroy the White Walkers, and at the same time nearly destroy the world (isn't that what Surtr basically does? I think you are too caught up with Frey).
Jaime might save the world, but it isn't going to be as Azor Ahai. First, the books give to many hints that it's Jon and zero that it's Jaime, and second, Azor Ahai wields a very famous FLAMING SWORD. Who in Norse Mythology does that?
The problem here is you are assuming Martin based his story on Norse Mythology. I think it's far more likely he used it as a skeleton to keep his sprawling narrative organized. And in fact, he probably changed what he was going to do as he wrote. Walder Frey probably played a much bigger role in the grand scheme earlier than he does now. Jon is Azor Ahai. There are far too many hints in the books, and it's Surtr that wields the flaming sword. I'm sorry about Jaime, but even if he is crucial to the survival of mankind (and he probably is), he isn't Azor Ahai.
Another thing. You said you can't imagine Jon Snow rescuing Ramsay Bolton. He wouldn't. Jon is Azor Ahai, but when he's resurrected he WON'T BE JON SNOW anymore. Jon Snow is GONE. Or at least damaged to the point that when he's resurected he won't be the same.ReplyDelete
And you forget... Jon saved THE WILDLINGS after they killed many of his brothers. He also turned down the Stark name. Jon isn't the type to miss the forest for the trees.
Surtr wields a flaming sword. Azor Ahai wields a flaming sword. "All I see is Snow." Jon is Azor Ahai.
SMH how far everyone is going to make Jaime Azor Ahai. You've taken the flaming sword of Lightbringer and made it metaphorical. NO! It will literally be a heat releasing sword. How do I know this? Maester Aemon and his discussion with Sam regarding Stannis' Lightbringer.ReplyDelete
There is only one among these Norse Gods and Giants famous for a flaiming sword. Who was it guys? SURTR!
Jon is Surtr, Jon is Azor Ahai, and Jon is going to damn near "burn the world down." If Jaime is Tyr, and Jaime is going to save the world, it's going to include stopping Jon at some point.
Also, you were right the first time about Jaime (Tyr) and the Mountain (Garmr).ReplyDelete
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Looks like more and more people are now accepting your theory. Nice article Dorian about your blog in Esquire Magazine.ReplyDelete
Cersei is Freya, not Frigg (that's probs Margaery) . Freya came first, then was conflated with Frigg, who is more the archetype of an ideal wife, while Freya was the original, primal representative of women, being equal to men, if not more powerful as women can give life, and she also chooses half the slain warriors in battle. Jaime is Freyr and maybe Tyr, too. Freyr and Freya are two sides of the same coin, meaning they make each other whole. In what world is Walder Frey the equal of the most powerful goddess? Freyr and Freya literally mean "lord" and "lady", so it seems like Frey's name is more indicative of his frustrated aspiration to be seen by the other noble houses as an equal. When is G.R.R.M. that obvious? You seem to have missed the fact that Martin loves to point out that history has often been rewritten to cover all sorts of evil perpetrated by the victors. In this case, you are are perpetuating the lie I believe he is addressing: that pagan religions valued women as equally as men, if not more so for their link to life (and therefore death), which connects them with whatever power(magic) they are ascribed, but that when patriarchal religions/societies came to power, women with power were demonized and/or subjugated. Freya and Freyr were too important and powerful in the minds of , to be totally wiped from social consciousness, because they represent two parts of a whole-- the divine union of man and woman. The most basic biological imperative.ReplyDelete
But yeah, GoT is totally Ragnarok. Just don't forget that the apocalypse pops up in most religions, and it is almost always because mankind has their priorities wrong.ReplyDelete
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Dude you are wayyyy off, no offence. Stannis will end up really being Azores ahai lightbringer will be forged when he stabs milesandre Job will end up on the iron throne.ReplyDelete
Guess Stannis was not who you thought he might be and Jaime still lives.Delete
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Just one thing: Odin was one-eyed, and used his two ravens to gather
intelligence, and that sounds much more like Bloodraven/Bran (= raven in celtic)
to me. However, your theory still fits, because now a Targ bastard (Jaime) has
had his revenge on a legit one (Aerys), whom he did not see as fit for the throne:
"Kingslayer, ah! What a King was he!"
R+L=J confirmed, Tommen deadReplyDelete
Love the theory. Tommen is dead so the later part of the essay does not hold up. The Jaime is Azor Ahai part is spot on I think. I Will be delighted if this turns out to be true. One of the greatest story ever told.ReplyDelete
WHAT IF THE ALL THE GODS OF NORSE MYTHOLOGY OR SOME GAME OF THRONES CHARACTERS ARE BEING REPLACED WHEN SOME OF THEM ARE DYING UNTIL THE LAST BATTLE? IN THIS WAY THE MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTERS OF THE SHOW ARE BEING REPLACED. IN THIS WAY WE HAVE FIRST THE MAD KING, THEN VISERYS, THEN JOFFRY, THEN RAMSAY AND LAST EURON. IN THE SAME WAY WE HAVE FIRST NED STARK, THEN JOHN SNOW. THE SAME HAPPENS WITH TYWIN, THEN ROOSE BOLTN, THEN LADY OLLENA AND THEN HIGH SPARROW (THE SAME CERSEI THOUGH HE WAS RIMINDING HER FATHER BEHAVIOR). SO GO WITH STANNIS, THEN JOHN CONNIGTON AND LAST RANDY TARLY. AND EVEN ROBERT MATCH WITH THIS SO WE HAVE FIRST (THE STRONG, WITH HAMMER, AND WOMANIZER WITH MANY DRINKING, LAUGH AND EATING) KING ROBERT, THEN SER THOROS AND DAARIO AND BRONN (ALL OF THEM WOMANIZERS WITH MANY DRINKING, LAUGH AND EATING) AND LAST PROBAPLY GENDRY (THIS ONE ONLY STRONG WITH HAMMER). THAT IS MY THEORY.ReplyDelete
AS FOR THE MELISANDRE YOU WERE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT IN YOUR COMPARISON HER WITH THE HELL GODESS IN GAME OF THRONES IN NORSE MYTHOLOGY RAGNAROK. SEE THE FIRST SEASON 6 GAME OF THRONES EPISODE ENDING AND CHECHK IT OUT. WHAT DO YOU THINK?
LORD OF THE RINGS SERIES, FROM WHICH SERIES THEY HAVE INSPIREDAND FROM WHICH HISTORICAL, MYTHOLOGICAL OR PERSONAL FACTS WAS TOLKIN INSPIRED TO WRITE HIS FANTASY BOOKSReplyDelete
ILLUVATAR IN LORD OF THE RINGS (LOTR) = GOD OF CHRISTIANITY
ELVISH STEEL LORD OF THE RINGS (LOTR) = VALYRIAN STEEL GAME OF THRONES (GOT)
ROHIRRIM (LOTR) = KNIGHTS OF THE VALE (GOT)
SHARUMAN (LOTR) = MELISANDRE, MOQQORO, BENERRO (GOT), AND IN HISTORY HITLER, MUSSOLINI, TOTZO, HIROHITO
HELMS DEEP (LOTR) = EYRIE (GOT)
MIDLLE EARTH (LOTR) = WESTEROS (GOT), HISTORIC MEDITERRANEAN
URAKI ORCS (LOTR) = SS IN HISTORY IN SECOND WORLD WAR (THE MERSHILESS ELITE GERMAN SOLDIERS)
MOUNT DOOM (LOTR) = HISTORY IN BERLIN A + SECOND WORLD WAR (IN THE CITY WAS STRONGLY USED PRISONERS OF WAR AS SLAVES)
MINES OF MORIA (LOTR) = HISTORIC ITALY IN WWII
EAGLES + EDDS (LOTR) = HISTORICAL US IN A + SECOND WORLD WAR (EDDS ENTERED THE WAR EDSON AFTER SARUMAN ATTACK IN THEIR FORREST, AS USA DID AFTER THE JAPANESE ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR)
EAST + MERCENARY ARMIES (LOTR) = MERCENARY COMPANIES OF NTAINARYS AND AEGON, WITH DOTHRAKI (GOT), HISTORICAL JAPANESE IN WWII (THAT ATTACKED ALLIED TO THE EAST, THEY PRESSED THEM, BUT AT THE END THEY HAVE BEEN DEFEATED)
ICE GULF FOFROCHIL (LOTR) = FJORDS REGION IN NORWAY
WORMTONGUE-WHISPERRER (THEODEN MANIPULATOR) (LOTR) = VARYS + LITTLEFINGER (GOT)
LEGOLAS (LOTR) = BARRISTAN SELMY, RHAEGAR (GOT)
MAEDHROS (LOTR) = JAMIE (GOT)
TURGI, FINGOLFIN (LOTR) = STANNIS, BRANDON THE BUILDER (GOT)
MINAS TIRITH (LOTR) = KINGS LANDING (GOT)
RANGERS OF TENEROTH (LOTR) = NIGHT WATCH (GOT)
HOBBITS (LOTR) = SMALLFLOK (GOT)
DEAD MARSHES (LOTR) = BATTLEFIELDS OF WWI (THAT WAS BEING TOLD THAT THEY WHO DIED THERE, WALK IN THIS REGION AS GHOSTS)
ARWEN (LOTR) = NTAINARYS (GOT)
ISILNTOUR (LOTR) = FIRST AZORES ACHAIA LAST HERO (GOT)
THORIN (LOTR) = BEOWULF
NTAIN, BILBO (LOTR) = BEOWULF SUCCESSOR WILKAF
NOSFITIS-SMAOUGK (LOTR) = DRAGON OF BEOWULF STORY
THE PRAYER OF AYNUR (LOTR) = A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE (GOT)
GANDALF (LOTR) = TRIMATI CROWS (GOT), ODIN, MERLIN, AINAMOINEN, KWOUMAN
KHAZAD DUMAHTAR DUM BRIDGE COLLAPSE (LOTR) = ASGARD BRIDGE DESTRUCTION IN ASGARD RAGNARÖK
ELENTIL (LOTR) = AEGON THE CONQUEROR (GOT)
FRODO (+ HIS LOST FRIENDS OF AND HIS POST WAR TRAYMATIC SYNDROME) (LOTR) = BRANAGH, CHEESE, ARTHUR, AND HISTORICAL TOLKIEN HIMSELF (WHO SURVIVED LIKE FRODO-BILBO TE WAR AND AND LOST HIS FRIENDS AFTER HIS PARTICIPATION IN ONE THE FIRST WORLD WAR, HAVING ALSO A POST WAR TRAYMATIC SYNDROME)
GALANDRIEL (LOTR) = LADY OF LAKE IN MERLIN
TWO WARS YOUR RING (FIRST ON THE INTRODUCTION OF THE FIRST MOVIE AND THE FINAL WAR OF DESTRUCTION OF THE RINGS) (LOTR) = HISTORICAL FIRST AND SECOND WORLD WAR
TURAN TURAMBAR (LOTR) = MYTHICAL SIR BALLIN, KULLERVO
VALAR, MAIAR (LOTR) = ANGELS, GODS OF ASGARD, OLYMPIC GODS
CALAQUENDI + MORGUEDNDI (LOTR) = MYTHICAL LIGHT + DARK ELVES
FAENOR (LOTR) = PROMETHEUS
EXILE NOLVODRIN ELVES (LOTR) = MYTHICAL TUATHA DE DANNAN
EO + AREDHEL AR FEINEL (LOTR) = RHAEGAR + LYANNA (GOT)
SILMARIL (LOTR) = DRAGON EGGS (GOT)
TOM BOMPANTIL (LOTR) = HOWLEN REED (GOT)
HOUSE ELENTIL (LOTR) = HOUSE TANGARIEN (GOT)
KING THEODEN (LOTR) = JOHN ARRYN, MAD KING (GOT)
GONDOR (LOTR) = HISTORRICAL ANCIENT GREECE, BYZANTIUM, ROME
MORDOR (LOTR) = LANDS OF ALWAYS WINTER (GOT), HELL, DESERT + TURKEY MIDDLE EAST, CENTRAL ASIA STEPESReplyDelete
SOUTH MORDOR + NEAR HARALD (LOTR) = DESERT OF NORTH AFRICA
RHOVANION (LOTR) = FORESTS OF GERMANY + RUSSIAN STEPPES
CELEMBRIMDOR + GILGAND (LOTR) = MYTHICAL NUADA + LUGH
RED BOOLWEST MARCH (LOTR) = LEGENDARY RED BOOK OF FHERGEST
SHIRE (HOBBIT HOMELAND) BEFORE THE WAR OF THE RING (LOTR) = HISTORICAL RURAL ENGLAND
SHIRE (HOBBIT HOMELAND) AFTER THE WAR YOUR RING (LOTR) = HISTORICAL INDUSTRIALIZED ENGLAND
GILGALAD (LOTR) = STAR OF THE MORNING (GOT)
NOLDOR (LOTR) = FIRST MEN (GOT)
DAGOR MIN GILIATH (LOTR) = BATTLE OF TRIDENT (GOT)
WAR OF WRATH (LOTR) = BATTLE OF DAWN (GOT)
VANYAR (LOTR) = VALYRIANS (GOT)
NOYMENOR, BELERIAND (LOTR) = VALYRIA (GOT), ATLANTIS
ARAGORN (LOTR) = JOHN SNOW (GOT), KING ARTHUR
GIMLI (LOTR) = TORMUND, GREATJOHN UMBER (GOT)
SAM BAGGINS (LOTR) = SAMWELL TARLY, PODRIK PAYNE (GOT)
ELVES (LOTR) = CHILDREN OF THE FOREST (GOT)
BOROMIR (LOTR) = EDDARD STARK, WUN WUN, EDDARD BROTHER BRANDON, THEON, JAMIE (GOT)
EDDS (LOTR) = WIREWOODS (GOT)
MORGOTH (LOTR) = GREAT OTHER (GOT), LOKI, DEVIL
SAURON (LOTR) = NIGHTS KING, TAGOUIN LANISTER (GOT), HISTORY KAISERSLAUTERN, HITLER
WITCH KING (LOTR) = NIGHTS KING (GOT)
NAGKZOUL (LOTR) = 12 LIEUTENANTS OF NIGHTS KING (GOT)
ORC (LOTR) = THE OTHERS (GOT), HISTORICAL GERMAN WWI SOLDIERS + WWII NAZIS, CAPITALISTS
DRAGONS + EAGLES (LOTR) = DRAGONS (GOT)
WEREWOLF (LOTR) = NTAIERGOULF SITUATION IN GOUARGK (GOT)
SELOMP OF MORDOR (LOTR) = GIGANTIES ARACHNES OTHER IN NOVELS (GOT)
PROPHECY OF MANTOS (LOTR) = PROPHECY FOR AZORES ACHAIA ABOUT PRINCE WAS PROMISEED, THE STALION WHO MOUNTS THE WORLD (GOT)
DAGOR DAGORATH THE PROPHECY FOR LOOSENING OF MORGKOTH, THE END WAR AND THE FINAL DESTRUCTION OF (LOTR) = THE LAST WAR OF OTHER AND THE MEN UNDER THE PRINCE WAS PROMISED + SECOND AZOR AHAI (GOT), RAGNARÖK, REVELATION JOHN
TURIN (LOTR) = HAIMNTAL
NTENETHOR (LOTR) = MAD KING, TAGOUIN LANISTER, BALON GREITZOY, CERSEI, JOFRY (GOT)
THE MURDER MADE THE HOBBIT SMIGOL MADE TO HIS FRIEND TO GET THE RING AND HIS ESCAPE OF IN A CAVE WHERE HE WAS TRANFORMED TO THE GOLLUM (LOTR) = THE MYTHICAL THE SON OF A KING IN VOLSUNGA SAGAS WHO KILLED HIS FATHER TO TAKE HIS MAGICAL GOLDEN RING AND HIS ESCAPE OF IN A CAVE WHERE HE WAS TRANFORMED TO A HUGE SNAKE
GOLLUM (LOTR) = THEON GREITZOY (GOT)
THE ONE RING (LOTR) = IRONTHRONE (GOT), RING DER LIBENLUNGEN
ELROND (LOTR) = TRIMATI CROWS (GOT)
CERTIFIED VASANISTES GOLLUM (LOTR) = RAMSEY BOLTON (GOT)
EOMER (LOTR) = YOHN ROYCE, HAROLD HARNTING (GOT)
EOGOUIN (LOTR) = BRIEN, SANSA (GOT), HISTORICAL JOAN OF ARC
PIPPIN, MERIN (LOTR) = GRENN, PIPAR, DOLLOROUS EDD (GOT)
LASTLY IT IS IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT TOLKIEN WAS INSPIRED BY HISTORY (MAINLY FROM THE FIRST AND THE SECOND WORLD WAR), MYTHOLOGY (MAINLY FROM THE RAGNARÖK THE NORWEGIAN AND PAN MYTH OF THE KING IN THE MOYNTAIN-WIKIPEDIA), RELIGION (MAINLY FROM THE CHRISTIANIC BIBLE AND APOCALYPSE OF JOHN, AS HIMSELF WAS A FAITHFULL CATHOLIC) AND REAL NATIONS TO WRITE HIS HISTORY, SPECIFICALLY BY GERMANS (HTTP://WWW.BBC.CO.UK/GUIDES/ZGR9KQT).
Hello to everyone. I would like to give an alternative probable source that the showrunners of the saw may have used in order to make the books and the saw (even if they do not admit it). It is not known that the title king in the North has been used for the first time in Daniel final vision in bible (and both showrunners have an israeili ascent and maybe their beliefs and history infuences them when the write the series-after all all the people of the world are prouds for their history and personal beliefs). They may also have been also a little been influenced by norse mythology (see http://gameofthronesandnorsemythology.blogspot.gr/2013/05/ragnarok-song-of-ice-fire.html).ReplyDelete
I have read the books of Daniel it personally years before the books. I made my survey and in the next lines follows the original Daniel text, the Game of Thrones probably connections, and how maybe these events will finally lead to the final Game of Thrones winner. I wish to everyone good fun and tell me your opinions.
THE COMPARISON OF DANIEL TEXT AND GAME OF THRONES EVENTS
The king of the South will become strong (the Mad King), but one of his commanders (Tywin Lannister) will become even stronger than he (and in the time of the Mad King reign and after that) and will rule his own kingdom with great power." (11:5).
"After some years, they will become allies. The daughter of the king of the South (Cersei Lannister) will go to the king of the North (informal king of the North during the Rebellion Robert Baratheon who was in command of the north army in this time) to make an alliance, but she will not retain her power, and he and his power will not last (and as we know by Magie prophecies in a long term period the Cersei will lose her authority, her children and her life and in the same will lose their life with her father, her husband and her protector jamie). In those days she will be handed over, together with her royal escort and her father and the one who supported her (something that happens in a long term period during the time of the Game of Thrones Period)." (11:6).
"7 One from her family line will arise to take his place (after Robert death rose Joffry). He will attack the forces of the king of the (informal in this time period) North (Eddard Stark) and enter his fortress (the Gregor Clegane and Jamie invasions and the capture of Harrenhal fortress by them of Eddard allies Tullys); he will fight against them and be victorious (in first place).
8 He will also seize their gods (the plundered septs, the statues of the Seven and the old gods destroyed holy trees), their metal images and their valuable articles of silver and gold and carry them off to Egypt (with Egypt here means the South, either Castely Rock or most probably King’s Landing). For some time he will leave the king of the North alone. Then the king of the North will invade the realm of the king of the South but will retreat to his own country (the failed invasion of Robb to save his father)." (11:7-9).
"His sons (Bran, Rickonn and Robb Stark especially who officially declared King in the North now) shall wage war and assemble a multitude of great forces, which shall keep coming and overflow and pass through, and again shall carry the war as far as his fortress." (11:10, ESV).
Then the king of the South will march out in a rage and fight against the king of the North, who will raise a large army, but it will be defeated (the defeat of Robb Stark garrison force by Tyrion and his wildlings). When the army is carried off, the king of the South will be filled with pride and will slaughter many thousands (indeed Joffry the over prided king will king thousands of innocents during the war not only in the battles but even in King’s Landing during the uprising)...." (11:10-12a).
Yet he will not remain triumphant. For the king of the North will muster another army , larger than the first; and after some time, he will advance with a huge army fully equipped (continuing Robb Stark wins, Jammie arrest)." (11:12b-13).
"In those times many will rise against the king of the South (the official declaring of the war of five kings Robb, Joffry, Balon, Renly, Stannis). The violent men among your own people will rebel in fulfillment of the vision, but without success (the uprising in King’s Landing Rebellion during Joffry reign and it’s unsuccessful result)." (11:14).ReplyDelete
"15 Then the king of the North will come and build up siege ramps and will capture a fortified city (Harenhall). The forces of the South will be powerless to resist; even their best troops will not have the strength to stand. The invader will do as he pleases; no one will be able to stand against him. He will establish himself in the Beautiful Land and will have the power to destroy it (continuing triumphs of Robb Stark). " (11:15-16).
"He will determine to come with the might of his entire kingdom and will try to make an alliance with the king of the South (in the tv series Robb makes a failed attempt for peace with his terms to the Lannisters, but it doesn’t work). And he will give him a daughter in marriage in order to overthrow the kingdom, but his plans will not succeed or help him, because his daughter will not stay loyal to him and will not help his plans (this differs only in a chronological line, because this wedding proposal happens indeed in the beginning of the series not by Robb, but by his father when he plans to marry his daughter Sansa to Joffry, but she ultimely betrays her father’s plans to Lannister as we know of the books, and then follows them for a time in order to save her life.)." (11:17).
Then he (Robb) will turn his attention to the coastlands (Lannister lands) and will take many of them, but a commander will put an end to his insolence and will turn his insolence back upon him (Roose by sending Ramsay capture Winterfell and bring great complications in his plans). After this, he will turn back toward the fortresses of his own country but will stumble and fall, to be seen no more (and indeed he return to his supposed allies, the Freys Fortress, the twins, were he has fall be the red wedding)." (11:18-19).
"His successor (his unofficial by his Robb’s will was John Snow) will send out a tax collector (Tycho Nestorris) to maintain his royal splendor (as we know from the books John Snow was forced to give the wall as a collaterall to the iron bank of braavos as well as it’s land in the Gift in order to find money to buy supplies, together with many other cruel economic conditions). In a few time, however, he will be destroyed, yet not in battle (but by «for the Watch» mutiny)." (11:20).
"He will be succeeded by a contemptible person who has not been given the honor of royalty (he will not be either the true heir of the kingship of the North or a royal-aristocrat at all). He will seize the Kingdom it through intrigue (probably as we will see he can speak for Stannis and his schemes according to melisandra’ s visions, but his characteristics can match to another evil competitor the littlefinger)." (11:21)
Then an overwhelming army will be swept away before him; both it (the army) and a prince of the covenant will be destroyed (probably it speaks for the battle by Stannis and the wildlings in the wall the books, and in the tv series. I personally believe that John Snow will take Stannis place and story arc in tv series after his demise. As for the prince of covenant he may speak for High Sparrow or Tommen in the series, but it does not mean that they will fall necessary by his schemes). After coming to an agreement (maybe with the Iron Bank), he will act deceitfully, and with only a few people he will rise to power (as we know Stannis army is not big at first). When the richest provinces feel secure, he will invade them (as we know Stannis invaded the Storm Lands, King’s Landing and the North in the series) and will achieve what neither his fathers nor his forefathers did. He will distribute plunder, loot and wealth among his followers. He will plot the overthrow of fortresses -- but only for a time (what Stannis plans to do in the books to win support for his cause)." (11:22-24).ReplyDelete
"25 With a large armyhe will stir up his strength and courage against the king of the South. The king of the South will wage war with a large and very powerful army, but he will not be able to stand because of the plots devised against him (maybe he speaks for the battle of Stannis vs Boltons that will be replaced by the battle the North vs the Boltons in Game of Thrones season 6). Those who eat from the king of the South provisions will try to destroy him (maybe Manderly according to the books in battle, so happens with Littlefinger battle schemes against Tommen Bolton allies, and the schemes of Varys in King’s Landing); his army will be swept away and many will fall in battle (probably this battle will bring the end and the full destruction of Boltons).The two kings, with their hearts bent on evil, will sit at the same table and lie to each other, but to no avail, because an end will still come at the appointed time (maybe there will be a small truce for some time before the war starts again)." (11:25-27).
"The king of the North will return to his own country with great wealth, but his heart will be set against the holy covenant. He will take action against it and then return to his own country (it speaks for a king with great religious fanatism that will purge his religious enemies with great wrath, most probably the Seven religion. His country can be or the new territories that he occupied in the North or Dragonstone-Storm’s End)." (11:28).
At the appointed time he will invade the South again, but this time the outcome will be different from what it was before. Ships of the western coastlands will oppose him, and he will lose heart (maybe there will be an invasion to his lands by Greyjoys, Redwines or Airon Waters that will prevent him to attack his enemies immediately)...." (11:29-30a).
"Then he will turn back and vent his fury against the holy covenant. He will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant." (11:30b).
His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant (many will come to him to save their lives and will follow him), but the people who know their God will firmly resist him (maybe Stannis start an overall purge of the faith of the Seven to his territories as he does to tv series or to king’s Landing if he captures it on the books and make the Sept of Balor a temple of his Red God)." (11:31-32).ReplyDelete
Those who are wise will instruct many, though for a time they will fall by the sword or be burned (exactly what Stannis does) or captured or plundered. When they fall, they will receive a little help, and many who are not sincere will join them (many maybe use this fanatic purge of the Seven as an excuse to save the oppressed and gain more followers for the iron throne). Some of the wise will stumble, so that they may be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time." (11:33-35).
The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods (Stannis thinks he is the lord of light chosen one). He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place.
He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all (a great description of Stannis, apostate of his father religion, fanatical follower of red god and he does not care for women unlike his brother Robert).
Instead of them, he will honor a god of fortresses; a god unknown to his ancestors (indeed his ancestors used to believe in the Seven) he will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts.
He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god (with his shadow babies he took Storm’s End in the books) and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price.
"At the time of the end the king of the South (he may be Tommen if he still lives, Aegon, with smaller chances being Daenarys, Euron, Mace Tyrell, High Sparrow, or Littlefinger) will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand (probably three aristocrat houses of westeros will follow him in order to avoid his wrath).
He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape (maybe King’s Landing or Castely Rock). He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Cushites in submission (maybe he will take over two powerful aristocratic houses of westeros).ReplyDelete
But reports from the east (maybe Daenarys, Euron or Aegon) and the north (maybe white walkers or Baliesh and the Northerners in the books, in the series if they give John Snow the Stannis story arc they will be I believe only the Others) will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. He will pitch his royal tents between the seas at the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him (maybe none of his soldiers, but maybe also Davos or Melisandre abandon Stannis as the red witch did in the series).
"At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people (the savior angel with the fire sword), will arise (probably the angel Michael represents the prince was promised or the Azor Akhai in the series). There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered.
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.
According to my view the final winner will be most probably John Snow, or Daenarys, Aegon and even Tyrion, but he will not be as I see it neither Victarion, Euron, Baliesh, Varys, Tommen, Mace Tyrell or Stannis (whose almost all story in the books and the series is being foreshadowed by the final king in the North).
HISTRORICAL ASPECT ALL GAMES OF THRONES SIMILARITIES WITH HISTORICAL AND MYTHICAL EVENTS AND PERSONS (ENLARGED EDITION)ReplyDelete
(IN THIS ARTICLE IS ALSO INCLUDED AND EXTRA MATERIAL OF AREAS AND CHARACTER OF THE NEW BOOK BY MARTIN, THE WORLD OF FIRE AND ICE: "THE UNKNOWN HISTORY GOUESTEROS AND GAME OF THRONES», EXEPT FROM HIS ORIGNAL BOOKS).
VALYRIA = EMPIRE EMPIRE OF ROME, ALEXANDER THE GREAT EMPIRE, ATLANTIS, MINOAN CRETE, POMPEII, ISLAND KARAKATOA
EMPIRE GKISKARI = ACHAEMENID PERSIAN EMPIRE, CARCHAGE AND ALEXANDER THE GREAT EMPIRE
HOUSE STARK = HOUSE YORK HOUSE, HOUSE PERCY, CAPETIDS
HOUSE LANISTER = HOUSE LANCASTER, HOUSE NEVILLE, PLANTAGENTS
EDDARNT STARK = RICHARD OF YORK, KING RICHARD III YORK, FILIPP VALOIS, FRANCIS LOVELL, WILLIAM LORD HASTINGS, DUKE OF ORLEAN AND MYTHOLOGICAL MIR, JUNIUS BRUTUS, NESTOR, MIMIR
ROB STARK = KING EDOUARD IV YORK, PRINCE LIEWLYN, DAVID DOUGLAS, WILLIAM EARL DOUGLAS, JOHN NEVILLE, JAMES OF MONMOUTH (XANARAMENO WITH HEAD), LORD GREY, WILLIAM OUALLAS, ROBERT BRUCE
TYWINN LANISTER = RICHARD NEVILLE DUKE OF WARWICK, KING EDWARD I, KING GEORGE III AND MYTHOLOGY POSEIDON, URANUS, PHOEBUS, JUNE VROUTOS
CERSEI LANISTER = ELISABETH WOODWIL, MARGARET DEAUFORT, LUCREZIA BORGIA, MARGARET ANJOU, KATERINA MEDICI, MARIE ANTOINETTE, ISAVELLA OF ENGLAND, AGRIPPINA, JANE GREY, JANE SHORE, EMPRESS OF CHINA CHE XI, ANNE VOLLEFN, EADBURN, BERNARD DE LAUNAY GOVERNOR OF CASTILLE, LUDWICH VON FLUHE CASTILLES SWISS GUARD, CATILINE, BUDDICA, NERO, AND MYTHOLOGICAL FRIG, HERA, APHRODITE, GAIA-EARTH, CIRCE, CLYTEMNESTRA, BROUCHILDA
JOFFRY LANISTER = EDWARD LANCASTER, COMMODUS, THOMAS HOWARD DUKE OF NORFLOK, RICHARDOS II, CALIGULA, HEROD, CESARE BORGIA, NERO, AL HAKIM, AL MOUTAVAKIL, HENRY FITZROY, KING RICHARD III, MYTHOLOGICAL EROS, PARIS
RIKON AND BRAN STARK = PRINCESS IN THE TOWER (KING EDWARD V AND RICHARD YORK) AND MYTHOLOGICAL FENRIR AND FISHER KING
ROBERT BARATHEON = CEASAR, ULYSSES GRAND, HENRY IV LANCASTER, GERMANICUS, EDOUARW IV, HENRY VIII, ETHELSTAIN KING OF MERCIA AND WESSEX, PHILLIP THE BOLD OF FRANCE, PHILLIP VALOIS, AUGUSTUS AND MYTHOLOGICAL THOR, HOENIR, ZEUS, MENELAUS, LUCIUS TARKYNIUS KOLLATINUS, AGAMNEMNON, DRAENN, DUHEYR, FORSETI
BROTHERS BARATHEON = BROTHERS KING RICHARDOS III, KING EDWARD IV AND JOHN DUKE OF KLARENS AND BROTHERS HENRY V, JOHN (DUKE BEDFORD) AND CHAMPREI (DUKE GLOUCESTER), HENRY + ROBERT + WILLIAM RUFUS, AUGUST + TIVERIOS (ROBERT + STANNIS)
MAD KING=RICHARD II, NERO, RICHARD III, CATILINE, EMPEROR JUSTIN II, JOHN LACKDLAND, HITLER, TARQUINIUS SUPERBUS, KING OF FRANCE CHARLES VI, HENRY VI AND MYTHOLOGICAL ODIN, CRONUS
FAITH IN THE LORD OF LIGHT= ZOROASTRISM, CLEAN (BOGOMILS,THE PAULICIANS), MANICHEANS
FAITH SEVEN = ORTHODOX AND ROMAN CATHOLIC CHRISTIANS
FAITH IN DROWN GOD= GODS AND VIKINGKS MILK
WILD FIRE = LIQUID FIRE
WALL = ANDRIANOU, GREAT WALL OD CHINA, ROMANS LIMES, GREY WARDENS
WATTHCERS ON THE WALL = KNIGHT TEMPLARS, GUARD OF GREAT WALL OF CHINA, ROMAN GUARDS IN WALL IN SCOTLAND, FRENCH AND SPANISH FOREIGN LEGION, THE KNIGHTS OF THE ROUND TABLE OF ARTHUR
BARBARIANS BEYOND THE WALL = SCOTLAND, PICTS
AEGON THE CONQUEROR = WILLIAM THE CONQUEUR, YAMATO DYNASTY CONQUEST OF JAPAN, ALEXANDER THE GREAT CONQUESTSReplyDelete
AEGON V TANGARIEN, THE YOUNG GRIFF = EDOUARDOS III, RICHARD SIMON
LYANNA STARK = HELEN OF TROY, KOLLATINA LUCRETIA, SITA
RAEGAR TANGARIEN = PARIS, SEXTUS TARKYNIUS, TITUS TARKYNIUS, HENRY STEWART, CHARLES OF VALOIS (THE ACCURSED KINGS), EDWARD THE BLACK PRINCE, ARRUN TARKENIUS, BALDR, KING RAVANA
GENDRY BARATHEON = KING HENRY VII TUDOR AND MYTHOLOGICAL GENERAL TAURUS OF KING MINOS, MOLLOCH RED BULL, WAY PARDTHESMITH, THIMIHRJOT, HEPHASTUS
PETER BALIS = WILLIAM CECIL, TOMAS SHEYMOUR, MACHIAVELLI, FRANCIS WALSINGAM, TOMAS CROMWELL, OLIVER CROMWELL, WILHELM STIBER, RIKIMARUS, ARPALUS, ROBERT NTE ARTOIS (OF THE ACCURSED KINGS), KING RICHARD III AND MYTHOLOGICAL THIAJI, HERMES
VARYS = FRANCIS WALSINGAM, ENUCH VAGOAS OF THE KING ARTAXERXES III, ZENNGK XI, KING FRANCE LOUDWIX IX NICKNAMED THE SPIDER, TAFLLERAND, ILAGO, WILLIAM STANDON, BLACK CHIEF EUNUCH OF OTTOMANS AND MYTHOLOGICAL NORSE SPIDER AND MIMIR
FREE CITIES ITALIAN CITIES = REGENERATION CITIES ANDD ANCIENT GREEK CITIES
EDMURE TULLY = KING HENRY IV FRANCE DURING HIS WEDDING NIGHT (NIGHT OF ST. BARTHOLOMEW)
VISERYS = NERO, CRASSUS AND MYTHOLOGICAL SEXTUS TARKYNIUS, TITUS TARKYNIUS, ARRUN TARKENIUS
SMILLING KNIGHT = JOKER OF BATMAN
RED WEDDING = BLACK DINNER (SCOTLAND) SLAUGHTER OF GLENCLOW (SCOTLAND), KOJIKI FEAST AND JAPAN EMPEROR JIMMU ENEMIES SLAUGHTER IN A DINNER AFTER A SONG, NIGHT OF ST BARTHOLOMEW (KNOWN AS WEDDING OF BLOOD), HERWORTH MOOR, SLAUGHTER OF SCYTHIANS LEADERS FROM EGYPTIANS IN A FEAST DURING NEGOTIATIONS (HERODOTUS)
DENARYS = KING HENRY VII TUDOR, KING EDWARD XVI, ALEXANDER THE GREAT, EMPRESS MATILDA, ELIZABETH I, CLEOPATRA, BUDDICA, ZENOBIA AND MYTHOLOGICAL LONG MU WENSI (THE MOTHER OF DRAGONS), JORMUGANDR KAI MIDGARD SNAKE
STANNIS BARATHEON = JULIAN THE APOSTATE, LEON III ISARUS, PRINCE CARLOS OF SPANISH CARLA WAR, ALEXANDER NEVSKY, KING ANTIOCHUS IV, KING RICHARD III, RAIMOND OF TOULOUZE, TIBERIUS AND MYTHLOGICAL APOLLO UTHER PEDRAGON, KING MINOS, MEMNON, NID HOGGR, DAINN
DOTHRAKI = SCYTHIANS, MONGOLS, HUNS, CHEYENNE, SIOU, ARABS, TURKMENS, ARYANS
CARL DROGKO = TSENGKIS HAN, ATTILA, MADYIS, TIMUR LENG
ANDALS = SAXONS, ENGLAND, JUTES, VANDALS, NORMANS, ARYANS, DORIANS, ISRAILITES
ANTALOS = CANAAN, PELOPONISSUS
HUGOR OF THE HILL = ABRAHAM, MOSES, JOSHUA
FIRST PEOPLE = CELTS OF BRITAIN, MYTHOLOGICAL MILESIANS
SWORD LIGTBRINGER = EXCALIBUR
AZOR ACHAI = ARTHOUROS AND MYTHOLOGICAL ZORAOSTRIAN SAOSHYANT, GRAND MONARCH, ARMILUS, KING IN THE MOUNTAIN
WATER HUMAN SACRIFICES, FIRE BURNINGS = GALATIC HUMAN SACRIFICES, INQUISITION FIRE BURNINGSReplyDelete
TANGARIENS = NORMANDS, TUDORS, RUSSIANS
RELATIONSHIP SANSA AND BALIS = RELATIONSHIP AND ELISABETH I AND CECILI, RELATIONSHIP ELISABETH I AND TOMAS SHEYMOUR
VALERIAN EMPEROR AND HIS LOST ARMY OF LOST LEGIONS = GREAT BRITAIN AND MESOPOTAMIA LOST LEGIONS
CASTLE ARRYN = METEORA MOUNTAINS
WESTEROS = ENGLAND AND MORE GENERAL WEST (NORTH EAST EUROPE AND AMERICA), HOLY LANDS
ESSOS = EURASIA
SOTHOROS = AFRICA
DEURNE = IBERIAN PENINSULA, RENAISSANCE ITALY
PENTOS = ANCIENT RHODES ISLAND
BRAVOS = VENICE, AMSTERDAM
TANGARIEN = TARKYNIAN DYNASTY, HAN DYNASTY CHINA JACOBITS (EXILED STUARTS)
WARS OF VALYRIAS AND GHIS = WARS OF GREEKS AND PERSIANS, GREECE AND ROMANWARS, WARS OF ROME AND CARTHAGE
CYVASS = CHESS
RENLY BARATHEON= EDWARD II, RICHARD THE LION HEART
COMPANIES OF MERCENARIES= CONDOTTIERE OF MEDIEVAL ITALY
FAITH MILITANT = NIGHT TEMPLARS, INQUISITION
7 KINGDOMS= 7 SAXON KINGDOMS
MARGAREY TYREL = ELISABETH WOODWIL, ANN BOLEYN, MARY TUDOR, MARGAREI KENIPE, MARIA OF SKOTIAS AND MYTHOLOGICAL FREYIA, HELEN OF TROY
TYRION LANISTER = EMPEROR CLAUDIUS, KING EUDES OF PARIS, KING RICHARD III, DUKE OF CLARENS ANTON GOUNTVIL NAD MYTHOLOGICAL FANFNIR, BIOGGI, ORESTES KAI ULYSSES, FAETHON
LORD WALDER FREY = HUSBAMD OF THE MOTHER OF HENRY VII, DUKE OF WARWICK RICHARD NEVILL, CATHERINE DI MEDICI, ABULL AL ABBAS, TOMAS PERCY, WILLIAM CRICHTON, WILLIAM NEVILLE, ANDREW TROPOLLE, ALEXANDER LIVINGSTON, THOMAS STANLEY, WILLIAM EARL OF DOUGLAS, RALF NEVILLE AND MYTHOLOGY FREYE
SMALL COUNCIL = LARGE COUNCIL ENGLAND
CHILDREN OF THE FOREST = FIRST RESIDENTS BRITAIN AND MYTHOLOGICAL ELVES, IRISH BOLG + FIR + CESSAIR + NEMED + PARTHOLON
GREAT FAR NORTH = IRISH OTHERWORLD
JAMES LANISTER = CALIGOULA, COMMODUS, KING RICHARD III, VORGIAS CAESARE, BASIL THE CHALKOCHERIS, KING EDWARD IV, CASSIUS CHAIREA, LU BU, ANTHONY WOODWIL, GOTFRIED VON BERLIGHEN, ANNE BOLLEYN BROTHER GEORGE AND ORESTES MYTHOLOGY, TYR AND ARISReplyDelete
YARA GREYJOY REJECTION FROM SALT THRONE AND KINGSHIP OF HER UNCLE EURON DESPITE HER FATHER WISHES AND BECOUSE SHE WAS A WOMAN = EMPRESS MATILDA REJECTION OF THRONE AND KINGSHIP OF HER COUSIN STEPHEN DESPITE HER FATHER WISHES AND BECOUSE SHE WAS A WOMAN
RAMSEY BOLTON = SHAPUR, TIMUR LENG, LALA MOUSTAFA, TYREL THOMAS JOHN, JOHN DE MEREDITH, VLAD III IMPALER, JEZHOV, FELIX DZERZHINSKY, YAGODA, BERIA, HIMMLER AND MYTHOLOGICAL FORSETI, MORDRED
ROOSE BOLTON = DUKE OF WARWICK, TOMAS PERCY, RALPH NEVILLE, THOMAS STANLEY
ORGANIZATION OF RED WEDDING BY FREY AND EXECUTION BY BOLTON = ORGANIZATION OF THE EXECUTION OF TSAR’S FAMILY FROM LENIN TROSKI-SVERDLOV AND EXECUTION BY GIOUROFSKI
SUCCESSION RIGHT ONLY MEN IN THRONE = SALIC LAW
WAR OF THREE KIGDOMS YI-TI = WAR THREE KINGDOMS OF CHINA THE 220-280 BC
YGRITE = BUDDHA
TYRELS = STANLEYS, TUDORS
MACE TYRELL = TOMAS STANLEY, KING LUIS XX MARSHALL AND ARCHGENERAL DUBREIL, CLAUDIUS
LORAS TYRELL = TOMAS STANLEY
FACELESS MEN = ASSASSINS, NEKROMANTS, PRIESTS OF VOODOO, BIAN LION, JANISARS
IRON BANK BRAVOS = GOLDMAN SACHS, BANK OF VENICE (MERCHANT OF VENICE), MEDICCI BANK
OLD GHIS = PERSEPOLIS, CARTHAGE
INCEST INBREEDING OF TANGKARIEN = PTOLEMAIC AND HAMSBURG INCEST INBREEDING
BAELOR THE BLESSES = HAROLD THE BLESSES, EDWARD THE CONFESSOR, AKHENATON, LUDWICH IX SAINT
MAEGKOR THE MERCILESS = HENRY I, EDWARD I, WILLIAM I, HENRY VIII, JOHN THE LANDLESS, RICHARD III, PHILIPPP IVD THE BOLD, HENRY
VISERYS I = HENRY I
RHANEYRA = EMPRESS MATILDA
AEGKON C = HENRY II OF ENGLAND, TUDOR HENRY, HENRY IV FRANCE
AEGON IV THE UNWORTHY = JOHN THE LANDLESS, KAROLOS II STEWART, GEORGE II, HENRY VIII TUDOR, HEROD, XERXES
BAELOR SACKHPEERE = HENRY II OF FRANCE
GREAT SPRING = PLAGUE
GRAZDAN THE GREAT = CYRUS THE GREAT
KHARIN THE GRAND = KING EUDES, DARIUS I, DARIUS III, PHILIP V, VALERIAN, BAYEZID
THEON GKREITZOI = DUKE OF KLARENS, THOMAS JOHN TYREL, BAGKRATINO AND MYTHOLOGICAL NJORDR
DRAKOGENBORN GENERATION (TANGARIEN) = MEROVINGIANS, GENERATION OF WILLLIAM THE CONQUEROR, DANES
KING OF THE NORTH = KING OF THE NORTH OF KING DANIEL
OTHERS AND WINTER = RUSSIAN WINTER, GOG-MAGOG AND MYTHOLOGICAL LIANKFLIM, BLUE BEAM PROJECT ALIEN THREAT, WHITE BROTHERHOOD OF HIMALAYIA, THE KING AND THE RAT COOKER OF NIGHT WATCH, DRAUGAR (NORSE MYTHOLOGY), GLAM (ICELAND MYHOLOGY OF GRETTIS SAGA) , IRISH AND SCOTISCH AOS SHI + TUATH DE + FONORIANS + ACE SHEE + AES SIDHE + DAOINE SIDHE + DAOINE SITH, VIOLENT CLIMATE WINTER AND CLIMATE CHANGESReplyDelete
PROCLAIMED MANY KINGS SIMULTANEOUSLY = SIMULTANEOUS PROCLAIMED MANY KINGS FROM THEIR SUCCESSORS OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT, THE YEAR OF 5 EMPERORS ROMAN EMPIRE
KINGS LANDING = PARIS, LONDON, ISTANBUL, JERUSALEM, SAXON COAST
BRAN THE BULIDER = BRAN THE BULIDER OF IRISH MYTHOLOGY, THE FISHER KING
CASTELY ROCK = ROCK OF GIBRALTAR
YUNKAI = LUXOR THEBES
UNSULLIED = GREEKS HOPLITES (OF SPARTANS AND THE MACEDONIAN GREEK KINGDOMS), ROMAN LEGIONS, ZULU, MAMLUKS
EDUCATION OF UNSULLIED = SPARTAN CRYPTEIA
BATTLE OF KOCHOR (BATTLE OF 3000): BATTLE OF THERMOPYLAE (300 BATTLE OF), SIEGE FROM ORLEANS BY ATTILA
CLEON OF ASTAPOR= CLEON OF ATHENS
PYRAMIDES OF GHIS = PYRAMIDES OF GIZA
RED HAIR OF GHIS PEOPLE = RED HAIR OF ANCIENT GREEKS
FAITH MILITANT = INQUISITION
WARRIOR SONS, POOR FELLOWS = NAITES, INQUISITION
HIGH SPARROW = POPE OURBAN, POPE INNOCENTIUS III, SAVONAROLA, POPE GREGORY VII, POPE FRANCIS, FRANCIS OF ASSISI, LOUTHER, CALVIN, PETER THE HERMIT, JOHN BOLL, THOMAS MUNSTER, VERNARD OF KLERV, ROVESPIER, FORMER KING LUIS XX OFFICER PULLANE
THEODEN THE BOLD = FORMER KING LUIS XX OFFICER PULLANE
RANDYL TARLY = KING LUIS XX MARSHALL AND ARCHGENERAL DUBREIL
JORA MORMONT = ROBERT DEVEREX, ROBERT DE ARTOIS (THE ACCURSED KINGS)
JOHN ARRYN = LUCRESIA COSSIMO DI MEDICCI, BARBARRA RADIZENNIEL (POLAND'S QUEEN)
TALISA = ANN BOLEIN, ELISABETH GOUNTVIL
ARYA = PRINCESS ANASTASIA, DONA CATILIN, LA MAUEN AND MYTHOLOGICAL HATI, ELECTRA
BRIENNE OF TARTH = JOAN THE ARC AND MYTHOLOGICAL VRISIIS, BRYNHIDR
JENARIS TANGARIEN= PHILIP IV THE BOLD
AENYS TANKARIEN = WILIAM RUFUS
MOST DEVOUT = THE ROMAN CURIA, HOLY SYNOD
STARY SEPT= SAINT SOFIA CHURCH OF CONSTANTINOPLE
SEPT BAELOR = THE CHURCH OF SAINTT PETER IN ROME
SEPTONS = CARDINALS
NIGHT TOWER OF OLD TOWN = LIGHTHOUSE OF ALEXANDRIA
CENTURY OF BLOOD = BARBARIANS INVASIONS IN ROME, VIKINGKS INVASIONS, 20TH CENTURY, HUNDRED YEARS' WAR
THONOUR INVASION = DANISH INVASION IN ENGLAND
FIRST NIGHT OF MARRIAGE IN NORTH = FIRST NIGHT OF MARRIAGE IN SCOTLAND ENSLAVED THE TIME OF WILLIAM WUALLAS
LYSA ARRYN= BLOODY MARY AND MYTHLOGIKA DIMITRA, PERSEFONI, CLYTEMNESTRA
MASTER PYCEL = LORD STEWART OF THE HOUSEHOLD WOODVILLE
KINGSGUARD = YEAMAN OF THE GUARD, PRAETORIAN
JOFFRY BARATHEON = CALIGOULA, NERO, CESARE BORGIA, SADISTIC PRINCE LOUIS X OF FRANCE, HEROD AND MYTHOLOGICAL EROS, PARISReplyDelete
DEATH OF KING ROBERT = DEATH OF WILLIAM RUFUS, JOHN KOMNINOS DEATH, DEATH OF KING FOULK
BARISTAN SELMY = JOHN DEVERE, 13 EARL OF OXFORD
HARO XAON DAXOS = MARGARET BEAUFORT
GREYSCALE = LEPROSY, HANSEN DISEASE
OLLENA = LIVIA THE WOMAN OF AUGUSTUS, MAZOT (OF THE ACCURSED KINGS)
CERSEI AND MARGAKREI= MAZOT DAUGHTERS OF THE ACCURSED KINGS), BLANCHE OF BURGUNDY, JEANNE COUNTESS DE POITIERS, MARGUERITE QUEEN OF NAVARRE (THE ACCURSED KINGS)
KATLYN STARK = CECILIA NEVILLE
SHAE = ANNE NEVILLE
BOLTON = ASSYRIANS
TALLYS = ARMANIACS
QARTH = CONSTANTINOPLE, BABYLON
PENTOS = ATHENS
DOTHRAKI SEA = HUNGARY
ARBOR = SICILY (EYROPE)
KATLYN AND LYSA TULLY = ISABELL AND ANNE NEVILLE
TYRION AND JAMIE = ANTHONY WOODWILLE (FIGHER AS JAMIE AND HISTORIAN AS TYRION)
TYRION AND SHAE = DUKE OF CLARENCE AND DISGUISED ANNE NEVILLE
BRANDON AND BALIESH FIGHT = DUKE OF CLARENCE AND RICHARD III FIGHT
BALIESH CRYUSH FOR CATELYN-LYSA = AND RICHARD III AND FRANCIS LOVE FOR WARWICK DAUGHTERS
ROBB SECRET MARRIAGE TO TALISA = EDWARD IV SECRET MARRIAGE TO ELIZABETH WOODVILLE
NORTH = RUSSIA, SLAVS, SCOTLLAND, NORTHEN ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, NORTHOUMVRIA
WINTERFELL = MOSCOW, CAMELOT
VALE = ALPS, AYSTRIA, SWITZERLAND, ENGLAND, WALES
RIVERLANDS = LOW COUNTRIES, YORKSHIRE, RHINELAND, ENGLAND, BACTRA (AORNOS PETRA), METEORA
IRON ISLANDS = SCANDINAVIA, ICELAND, IRELAND, ORKNEY ISLANDS
WESTERLANDS = BRITISH ISLANDS, GERMANY, WALES
THE REACH = FRANCE, ITALY, ENGLAND, MIDLANDS
STORMLANDS = ITALY, FRANCE, ENGLAND
DORNE = SPAIN, PORTUGAL, CORNWALL, GASCONY
CROWN LANDS = GERMANY, NAPLES, ENGLAND
DRAGON STONE = MALTA, FEROE ISLANDS
VALYRIA = ANCIENT GREECE, ROMAN EMPIRE, BYZANTINE EMPIRE, SODOM AND GOMORAH
SLAVERS BAY = SLAVE COAST OF AFRICA
IBBEN = ICELANDReplyDelete
LADY LOTHSTON = ELIZABETH BALORY
QYBURN = VICTOR FRANKENSTEIN, LOITZI GALVANI, GIOVANNI ALNTINI, CONRAD NTIPEL MEN YURI, MENGELE, BERNARD DE LAUNAY GOVERNOR OF CASTILLE, LUDWICH VON FLUHE CASTILLES SWISS GUARD OFFICER, GEORGE FRANKENSTEIN
ROBERT STRONG = MONSTER FRANKENSTEIN
GREGOR CLEGAME = GOLIATH, LYAIOS
SPARROWS = ZEALOTS OF THESSALONICA, JACOBINS, ZEALOTS PATARINOI (CATHOLIC) OF MILAN, ST. FRANCIS ORDER OF FRIARS MINOR, PIAGNONI, WEEPERS, INQUISTORS (THE LOVES OF THE PEOPLE FRANCISCAN AND DOMINICAN ORDERS), JESUITS
RED KEEP = VERSALIES
OSMOUNT CATEBLACK = AXEL VON FERSEN
WATER GARDENS = HANGING GARDENS OF BABYLON
OULTHOS = AUSTRALIA
TYROSH = TYRE
SUMMER ISLANDS = AZOR ISLANDS, HAWAI
MELISANDRE = BLOODY MARY, RASPUTIN, VISIR THE DIRECTOR OF LEO III ISAURIAN AND MYTHOLOGICAL HEL, CASSANDRE, SCARLET WOMAN, MOLLCH RED BULL, MORGANA LA FEY KAI HEIDE
BROTHERHOOD WITHOUT BANNERS = ROBIN HOOD GANG
TOWER OF CHARENCHAL = TOWER OF BABEL, PONTEFCRAFT
KINGSWORD BROTHERHHOD = ROBIN HOOD GANG
FIRST TERRITORIES OF ANDALS = MESOPOTAMIA
SIMON TOOONE = ROBIN HOOD
BEN BIG BILLY = LITTLE JOHN
9 WONDERS OF STRAINTER = 7 WONDERS OF THE WORLD
TYROS = LISBON, PORTO
ANTALOS = NORMANDY
JAW = JAW OF JAMES BOND
A DANCE OF THE DRAGON = CIVIL WAR AND WAR OF STEPHEN BLOIS AND MATTHILD
MASTERS, GRAND MASTERS, POOR FELLOWS = MASTERS, GRAND MASTER OF KINGHT TEMPLARS
PHRASE OF MELISANDRE: ONE KINGDOM, ONE GOD ONE KING = EIN VOLK EIN REICH EIN FUHRER OF HITLER
FIRST HIGH SEPTON OF TV SERIES = CARDENBOURY ARCHBISHOP OF 1382 (SAME DEATH) POPE CLEMES V
REVOLT IN KINGS LANDING = REVOLT POOR IN THE LONDON IN 1382
BATTLE OF ICE IN THE VISION OF STANNIS = BATTLE OF ICE (OR BATTLE OF LAKE PEIPOUS)
COHOR = KIEV
LYS = PARIS
NORVOS = MOSCOW
LORATH = NOVGOROD, ARCHANGEL PORT
MYR = NARBEUNE
DOLORROUS EDD = DOLORROUS HORNED OWL FROM COMANDANTE MARK COMICS
MELTING GOLD IN VYSERIS HEAD= MELTING GOLD FROM PARTHOUS IN CRASSUS HEAD, MELTING GOLD FROM INDIANS TZIVAROS TO THE THE SPANISH COMMANDER, MELTING GOLD FROM MONGOLS IN COMMANDER KYVENITI OTRAR HEADReplyDelete
WOMEN OF MAEGOR THE MERCILESS = WOMEN OF HENRY VIII
HAN ZEMMOU = XERXES, ATTILA, TSEGKINS HAN, MADYIS, TIMUR LENG
DEATH OF STEVRON FREY = DEATH OF ANDRES BERRIES OF SCOTLAND
DEATH OF LIONEL TYREL = DEATH OF ALEXANDER III OF SCOTLAND
LINCOLN PHRASE: TO STAND ONE WAR AT A TIME = SAME PHRASE WHICH SAID ΒΥ ΤΥΡΙΟΝ ΤΟ VARYS
CAST OF PLAGUED CORPSES BY ARMY IN MΕΕRΕN YUNKAI SOLDIERS = CAST OF PLAGUED CORPSES FROM MONGOLOUS IN JAFFA
DEATH OF KELON GKEITZOY = DEATH OF CHARALD CHATRASSA
BENER = ICONOCLAST BISHOP OF NAKOLEIAS KONSTANTINOS
MOKKORO = ICONOCLAST METROPOLITAN KLAFDIOUPOLEOS THOMAS AND EFESSOU THEODOSIOS
ARENA OF MEEREN = COLOSSEUM OF ROME
NAKED WOMEN OF CHIOUET SERVING INTO EURON GREITZOY = NAKED WOMEN OF BAYEZID SERVING TO TAMERLANE
SANSA STARK = MARIE ANTOINETTE, ELIZABETH YORK, ELIZABETH I ENGLAND, ANNE NEVILLE, MYTHOLOGY IDDUN, SOUL, PENELOPE, ELECTRA
TYSHA = MYTHOLOGY PENELOPE
HISTORY OF BRAN FOR THE COOKER RAT OF NIGHT WATCH = HISTORY OF ATREUS AND HISTORY WITH KING LYKOS, AND HIS SON PELOPS, PHILOMELA AND PROCNIS + GUDIUN AND HAMDIR
DEATH JOFRYY BARATHEON = DEATH IN WEDDING OF PRINCE EUSTACHE, SON OF KING STEPHEN IN 1163
VALYRIAN STEEL = DAMASCUS STEEL, METAL IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND INDIA
IRON THRONE = DOORS THAT MADE OF AEMORIES IN THE TOYTEWKCESBURY SACRISTY
MAEGOR THE CRUEL AND HIS WOMEN OF (SERYS CHAITAOUER, ALYSCHARO RUSE, TADPOLES) = HENRY VIII AND HIS WOMEN OF (KATERINI ARAGONIAS, ANN BOLEIN, KATERINA HOWARD)
FIRST HIGH SEPTON IN MAEGOR RULE= POPE BENEDICT XI
TITAN OF BRAVOS = COLOSSUS OF RHODES,
STATUE OF LIBERTY IN NEW YORK
TYCHO NESTORIS = SPINELLO TOLOMEI (FROM THE ACCURSED KINGS)
SEPT. MERMISON + SECOND HIGH ON SEPT MAEGKOR = CARDINAL WESLEY, POPE CLEMES V
LORD ENTGOUEL = TOMAS CROMWELL
SER PERKYN THE TALL = RICHARD SIMMONS
TRYSTAN TROUFAIR = PERKINS WARBECK, FALSE DEMETRIUS OF RUSSIA
GAIMON WITH MANY HAIR= LAMBERT STIMMEL
JOGKOS NAI = HUNS, MONGOLS, ARYANS, SIOU, MANCHU
YI-TI = CHINA
WALL FORT OF YI-TI = GREAT WALL OF CHINA
LENG = JAPAN, KOREA, ANGOR
CHAR-LA = CHOUANGNTI
JOR-CHAR = LT SI MIN, HUANG SIN TI
CANTATH = SHAMBHALA
YIN = QIN, BEIJING, TOKYO
SON OF OPAL OF YI-TI = ELAGABALUS
FROSTY SEA = NORTH POLE
SUMMER ISLES = HAWAII, ANGORA, BARBARA
CURSE OF GREAT TYMB = CURSE PHARAOH
BOOK OF THE PATH OF THE DEAD = DEAD EGYPTIAN BOOK OF THE DEAD
NAATH = FORTUNATE ISLES, NORTHERNMOST
SARNARI-QAATHI-IMB PEOPLE = HINDU DRAVIDIAN PEOPLES
LO BUSH = LI SHI MIN, CYRUS THE GREAT
EMPEROR OF PEARLS = SIN HUANG TI
JOR-CHAR = LT SI MIN, HUANG SIN TI
KANTATH = SHAMBHALA
YIN = QIN, BEIJING, TOKYO
SON OPAL SO-TI = ELAGABALUS
SEA = FROSTY NORTH POLE
ISLAND THEROUS = HAWAII, ANGORA, BARBARA
CURSE FEATURE CAIRN = CURSE PHARAOH
PAPER PATH = DEAD EGYPTIAN BOOK OF THE DEAD
NAATH = FORTUNATE ISLES, NORTHERNMOST
SARNARI-KOHATH-FMLP = HINDU DRAVIDIAN PEOPLES
LO BUSH = LT SI MIN, VALIDITY THE GREAT
EMPEROR PEARL = SIN TI HUANG
LOMAS LONGKSTRAITER = MARCO POLO
THOUSAND ISLANDS = LEMURIA
GIN = CAIROReplyDelete
ASHAI= NEW DELPHI, KOLKATA
LABYRINTH OF LORANSON IN LORATH = LABYRINTH OF MINOAN CRETE
PENTOS AND HUMAN SACIFICIES OF HIS LORDS WHEN THEY FAILED = HUMAN SACIFICIES OF LORDS IN THE ANCIENT MIDDLE EAST AND CARTHAGE WHEN THEY FAILED
RELIGION OF KOCHOR = RELIGION CARTHAGE AND LUCIFERIANISM
LYSANTRO THE MANGNIFICENT = LAURENTIUS THE MANGNIFICENT
TRISTIFER IV LAONT = KING ARTHOUR
BENETICT THE BRAVE = ALFRED THE GREAT
NTAGOUINSEL = VORTIGEN OF ARTHUR THE GREAT STORIES
SER ARTAN ARRYN = HENRY V, WILLIAM I
LAN = POPE VONIFATE, LOKI
GARTH = DIONYSUS
VALAR MORGHULIS = MEMENTO MORI (THYNISOU HOW PETHANES) REMEMBER TO PEOPLE
LOREN LANISTER = PHILIP, BROTHER OF LOUIS XIV
GARDENER +TYREL RELATIONSHIP= MEROVINGIAN + KAROLIDES RELATIONSHIP
HARLAN TYREL =CAMBESES
CRUSADES OF NORMANDS = ANTALYA INVASIONS IN WESTEROS
WASHING OF HANDS OF AEGON V = WASHING HAND OF PILATUS
SAMERCHOL = DELPHINATE OF FRANCE GRAND PRINCE TO SUCESSIN LINE
SWAN WOMEN = HARPIES
TOLOS = THRACE
ANGOUIN PEEK = RICHARD DUKE OF NEVILLE WARWICK
NTAINERA = ELISABETH GOUNTVIL
MANITARES = CLAUDIUS
7 GATES KING'S LANDING = 7 GATES OF THEBE
TYTOS LANISTER = HENRY III ENGLAND
DORAN MARTEL = CHARLES OF VALOIS (THE ACCURSED KINGS)
ARRIENE MARTEL = JOAN OF VALOIS COUNTESS OF BEAUMONT (THE ACCURSED KINGS)
LORD OF KASTAMIR = SHIMON NTEMNTFORNT
VALES DOTHRAK = KARAKORUM
VOLANTIS = NAPLES
MIRIN = GHIZA, CAIRO
JOHN KONIGKTON = EDWARD BRAMPTON, ROBERT NTA ARTOIS (THE ACCURSED KINGS)
LION VS WOLF = ARMANIACS VS BURGUNDIANS
NINE EUNUCHS OF YI-TI = NINE YELLOW KINGS OF CHINA
OSMOUNT KEITBLCAK = ROJER MORTIMER (FROM THEC ACCURSED KINGS)
CUCHULLAIN, RONALD, MORDRED INCEST BORNS = CERSEI'S CHILDREN INCEST BORNS
ARTHUR AND HIS SISTER ORKNEY QUEEN INCEST RELATION = JAMIE AND CERSEI INCEST RELATION
BLUE BARD = MARK SMEATON
DANYS ESSOS KINGDOM PROBLEMATIC AREA AND KINGDOM CONTROL = UTREMER PROBLEMATIC AREA AND KINGDOM CONTROL
THE TOWER OF LONDON TRAITORS GATE = BLACK CELLS OF RED KEEP
VARGO HOAT = KING OF GOTHS JURMUNREKK
RELATIONSHIP LYANNA, RARGKAR, ROBERT = RELATIONSHIP GKOUINIVER, LANCELOT, ARTHUR
HISTORY OF OLD WAR BETWEEN DORNE AND FROM HIGHGARDEN ARYS OKCHART = BATTLE OF ROSENMPO AND DEATH OF RONALD
JOHEN REED = MYTHOLOGY KVASIR
SAMWEEL TURLY = MYTHOLOGY HEIMDALL
TOMMEN LANISTER = PHILLIP VALOIS, PHILIPPE COUNT DE POITIERS (FROM THE ACCURSED KINGS), CHARLES COUNT OF LA MARCHE (FORM THE ACCURSED KINGS), LUDWICH (LUIS) XVI AND XVII, KING EDWARD VI, MYTHOLOGY VIDDAR, ANTERUSReplyDelete
THREE EYED RAVEN = MYTHOLOGICAL LOKI
JOHN SNOW = CEASAR, GENERAL CONSTANTINE DIOGENES, MYTHOLOGICAL KING ARTHUR, SORTR, HELLHOUND
RICKON, SANDOR AND GREGKOR CLEGANE = MYTHOLOGICAL TITAN GAMR, MONEGERM
VICTARION GREITZOY = MYTHOLOGICAL HRYM
HAROLD HARDING = MYTHOLOGICAL NORSE EAGLE OF THE MOUNTAIN
EYRON = MYTHOLOGICAL ODDIN, NORSE KRANKEN
MYRKELLA = MYTHOLOGICAL HARMONY
WHITE RAVEN = MYTHOLOGICAL NOAH ARCS RAVEN
LORAS = MYTHOLOGICAL PATROCLUS
RENLY = MYTHOLOGICAL PATROCLUS, DIONYSIUS, DORATKOR
DAVOS = MYTHLOGIKAL DEDALOS, RATASKIR
LYSA ARRYN = MYTHOLOGY DIMITRA, PERSEFONI
METHOS AND EDRIC STORM = MYTHOLOGICAL ICARUS
JOHN ARRYN = MYTHOLOGIKAL AGAMEMNON, PUBLIUS VALLERIUS PUBLICCA, NESTOR
LANCEL = LANCELOT
DONTOS, HODOR = MYTHOLOGICAL THE NORSE FOOL
SILENT SISTERS (SYMBOL OF THE 7) = MYTHOLOGY 7 PLEIADES
LANNISTER ARMY = MYTHOLOGY LOMSON ROOSTER (NORSE MYTHOLOGY)
GOLDEN COMPANY = MYTHOLOGY GOLDEN ROOSTER (NORSE MYTHOLOGY)
RED PRIEST ARMIES (DANY, VICTARION, STANNIS) = MYTHOLOGY RED ROOSTER (NORSE MYTHOLOGY)
GIANTS = NORSE MYTHOLOGY AND GIANTS
LADY STONEHEART = MYTHOLOGICAL HEIDE, HEL, SHINARA
VAL = MYTHOLOGICCAL SKADE
MYA STONE = MYTHOLOGICAL MAGNI, MOD, THUD
COLDHANDS = MYTHOLOGICAL SVADIFFARI
RICKON, SANDOR, GREGOR = TITAN GAMR, MONEGERM
RICKARD KASTARK = SPURIUS LUCRETIUS TRICENTINUS, HANUMAN
THE GREAT OTHER = SATAN, MYTHOLOGICAL NIKOGG
WEIRWOODS = MYTHOLOGY YGGDRASSIL
MAGGY THE FROG = MYTHOLOGICAL SAGA (ODIN DAUGHTER)
OTHERS = LIANKFLIM, WHITE BROTHERHOOD, BLUE BEAM PROJECT
MIRIZ SEALER = MYTHOLOGICAL NESSOS
KARL NTROGKO = MYTHOLOGICAL HERACLES
NTENARIS = EDOUARDOS III, MYTHOLOGICAL DIINEIRA MEDEA, ELECTRA
THE SEVEN = FATHER (ZEUS) MOTHER (DIMITRA, KYVELI) VIRGIN (ARTEMIS, APHRODITE) WISDOM (ATHENS), WARRIOR (ARES), SMITH (HEPHAESTUS), STRANGER (HADES, PLUTO)
GENDEL + KING IN THE NORTH WITH HIS SON = GRENDEL + BEOWULF WITH WIGLAF
HALL OF FACES = ELLORAS CAVE IN INDIA AND HONG KONG TEMPLE OF 1000 BUDHAS
HOUSE OF BLACK AND WHITE = GHATS OF VARANASI
BANK OF BRAAVOS = ALBERT SPPER THIRD REICH ARCHITECTURE BUILDINGS
MEEREN PALACE = FRANK LIOYD WRIGHT'S MAYAN REVIVAL PERIOD PALACES
VALES DOTHRAK = ARTHUR ERICKSON ARCHITECTURE BUILDINGS
WAR FIGHTING WAYS IN SUMMER ISLANDS = WAR FIGHTING WAYS IN ZULU BEFORE SHAKA REIGN
BATTLE OF BASTARDS «TOWER» OF DEAD BODIES = MEDEVIAL BATTLES AND AMERICAN CIVIL WAR «TOWER» OF DEAD BODIES, BYZANTINE BATTLE OF SETTANA PASS
BATTLE OF BASTARDS «TOWER» OF DEAD BODIES=MEDEVIAL BATTLES AND AMERICAN CIVIL WAR «TOWER» OF DEAD BODIES, BYZANTINE BATTLE OF SETTANA PASS
BATTLE OF BASTARDS=BATTLE OF ICE (BATTLE OF LAKE PEIPUS), BATTLE OF CANEE, BATTLE OF AZINKUR, BATTLE OF VATERLO)
CHECH BATRICI (MEANS BROTHERS) WHO WERE MERCENARIES AND CAVALIERS AND ADMIRERS AND SUCCESSORS OF HUSHITES, AT THE BEGINNING PROTECTORS OF THE POOR’S, FOLLOWERS OF EQUALITY, AND BITTER ENEMIES OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, WHO SOON STARTED BURN CHURCHES AND MONASTERIES, KILLING MONKS AND THE POOR SMALLFOLK THEY SUPPOSED TO PROTECT (LIKE THE BROTHERHOOD WITHOUT BANNERS DOES AFTER THE FINAL DEATH OF BERIC DONDARION IN GAME OF THRONES). THEIR MILITARY LEADER WAS JAN JISKA BRANDYSA (LIKE BERIC DONDARION IN GAME OF THRONES) AND THEIR CHURCH LEADER PETER AKSAMIT (LIKE THOROS IN GAME OF THRONES). IN THIS PERIOD THE KING MATEJ KORWIN (FROM CORVINUS WHICH MEAN CROW LIKE JOHN IN GAME OF THRONES TV SERIES) WITH HIS ARMY, THE BLACK REGIMENT (WHOSE MEMBERS WORE BLACK RIBBONS LIKE THE NIGHT WATCH IN GAME OF THRONES) TOOK THEIR ARMS AGAINST BRATRICI, AFTER THEY DEFEATED THE TURKS (LIKE WILDLINGS OR DOTHRAKI IN GAME OF THRONES), MANY OF WHOM (THE BATRICI) HAVE JOINED CORVINUS ARMY AND FOUGHT AGAINST THEIR FORMER COMPANIONS UNTIL THEY DEFEATED THEM AND BROUGHT PEACE IN TO THE WAR TORN COUNTRY (AS BROTHERHOOD WITHOUT BANNERS MAY DO IN GAME OF THRONES TV SHOW UNDER BERIC AND THOROS, MAY GO NORTH AND JOIN JOHN SNOW).ReplyDelete
SHAEKSPERE TITUS ANDRONICUS (ARYA) WHO KILLED TAMORAS (WALDER FREY) SONS, CHIRON AND DEMETRIUS (LOTHAR AND BLACK WALDER FREY) AND GAVE TO HER TO EAT THEM BEFORE KILL HER
CERSEI’S SEPT OF BAELOR EXPLOSION PLOT=GAY FOKS ENGLISH PARLIAMENT EXPLOSION PLOT
SIEGE KING'S LANDING FROM STANNIS = ARAB SIEGES OF CONTANTINOPOLE AND THE SIEGE DURING EMPEROR ANASTAIUS REIGN, ,SECOND SIEGE OF VIENNA
(FOR MYTHS OF NORSE GODS AND MYTHICAL BEINGS, AND FOR MYTHS OF ANCIENT GREEK GODS WHO HAVE INSPIRES MARTIN SPEAK THESE BLOGS:
ALSO AN IMPORTANT IS THE SITE HTTP://HISTORY-BEHIND-GAME-OF-THRONES.COM/, WHILE ANOTHER WHICH GIVES CONNECTION WITH THE MODERN STATE IS ALSO VERY INTERESTING: HTTPS://WWW.WASHINGTONPOST.COM/NEWS/WORLDVIEWS/WP/2015/04/09/IF-GAME-OF-THRONES-WAS-IN-THE-MIDDLE-EAST/.
LASTLY IT IS IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT EVEN TOLKIEN WAS INSPIRED BY HISTORY (MAINLY FROM THE FIRST AND THE SECOND WORLD WAR), MYTHOLOGY (MAINLY FROM THE RAGNARÖK THE NORWEGIAN AND PAN MYTH OF THE KING IN THE MOYNTAIN-WIKIPEDIA), RELIGION (MAINLY FROM THE CHRISTIANIC BIBLE AND APOCALYPSE OF JOHN, AS HIMSELF WAS A FAITHFULL CATHOLIC) AND REAL NATIONS TO WRITE HIS HISTORY, SPECIFICALLY BY GERMANS (HTTP://WWW.BBC.CO.UK/GUIDES/ZGR9KQT).
OCCULTIST ASPECT GAME OF THRONES, REVELATION OF JOHN VISIONS OF DANIEL MYTHOLOGY AND MYSTICISMReplyDelete
IN THIS ARTICLE WE WILL ATTEMPT TO SHOW THAT MARTIN HAS PROBABLY INSPIRED HIS BOOKS, PARTLY BY THE BOOK OF REVELATION, THE VISIONS OF DANIEL, MYTHOLOGY AND MYSTICISM, TO CREATE THE TURN.
THIS DESPITE DECLARING THE CONTRARY ASSERTIONS, THAT NEVER DID SUCH A THING, IT IS NOT VERY SURPRISING.
MARTIN HAS ALSO A TENDENCY TO IDEALIZE THE EVIL OF DIFFERENT STORIES AND USE THEM AS INSPIRATION (SEE THE WEBSITE GAME OF THRONES AND NORSE MYTHOLOGY SHOWS HOW THE EVIL OF THE MYTHOLOGY OF RAGNARÖK HAVE BECOME HEROES IN HIS OWN SERIES (HTTP: //GAMEOFTHRONESANDNORSEMYTHOLOGY.BLOGSPOT.GR , HTTP://GAMEOFTHRONESANDNORSEMYTHOLOGY.BLOGSPOT.GR/2013/05/RAGNAROK-SONG-OF-ICE-FIRE.HTML), WHILE THE UNTOLD SOURCES OF HIS INSPIRATION ARE ALSO SEVERAL (HTTPS://WWW.QUORA.COM/ARE -THERE-ANY-HIDDEN-MEANINGS-IN-THE-GAME-OF-THRONES, HTTPS://HAWKSTOWER.WORDPRESS.COM/2015/04/06/DEATH-AND-THE-END-OF-TIME-AN-ANALYSIS-OF-ESCHATOLOGY-IN-GAME-OF-THRONESA-SONG-OF-ICE-AND-FIRE/).
ALONGSIDE HIS STATEMENT, THAT HE IS ATHEIST (OR AS HE SAYS, AT BEST, AN AGNOSTIC) AND TRIES TO SPREAD THROUGH HIS BOOKS HIS OWN IDEAS AND BELIEFS TO THE READERS, IN A FORM OF PROPAGANDA (SUCH THAT AS THEY SAY HEROES BERIC DONDARION AND JOHN SNOW IN THE TV SERIES, THERE IS NOTHING AFTER DEATH AND HOW WE SHOULD LIVE OUR LIVES IN THE NOW, A SENSE REMINISCENT OF THE DARKEST AND MYSTICAL VIEWS-(HTTP: //ROSETTEDELACROIX.COM/? P = 1469, HTTP: //MINDUNCLOUDED.BLOGSPOT. GR / 2014/06 / GODS-OF-WESTEROS-METAPHYSICAL-ANALYSIS.HTML).
ALSO HE IS MOSTLY HOSTILE TO CHRISTIANITY (AND OTHER RELIGIONS-HTTPS://WWW.REDDIT.COM/R/FANTHEORIES/COMMENTS/3N4AG0/GAME_OF_THRONES_AZOR_AHAI_IS_THE_ANTICHRIST_OR_AT/-HTTP://WWW.LANDOVERBAPTIST.NET/SHOWTHREAD.PHP?T=74367, HTTP://WWW.PAJIBA.COM/THINK_PIECES/MAGIC-RELIGION-AND-PROOF-IN-GAME-OF-THRONES-.PHP).
IN HIS BOOKS, TRYING TO SHOW THAT (THE INSPIRED BY CHRISTIANITY) FAITH OF THE SEVEN IS FALSE , VIOLENT, HYPOCRITICAL, OPPRESSIVE AND BAD (AND USES ALSO MYSTICAL SYMBOLS-HTTP://ILLUMINATIWATCHER.COM/ONE-BIG-OCCULT-SECRET-YOU-DIDNT-NOTICE-ON-GAME-OF-THRONES/-HTTP://ILLUMINATIWATCHER.COM/THE-REAL-MESSAGE-BEHIND-HBOS-GAME-OF-THRONES/-HTTP://WWW.CHRISTIANPOST.COM/NEWS/CHRISTIAN-INSIGHTS-IN-GAME-OF-THRONES-139393/)
IN ADDITION THE SERIES ARE PROMOTING PROSTITUTION, MAGIC (WHITE OR BLACK), HOMOSEXUALITY, IMMORALITY, CANNIBALISM, INCEST, MURDER RELATIVES, GREED AND GENERALLY ALL THINGS THAT ARE HOSTILE TO CHRISTIANITY. IT IS SIGNIFICANT TO SAY THAT ONLY THOSE WHO EXERCISE THESE MAGIC ARTS, HAVE STRENGTHS IN SERIES OR TO PERFORM MIRACLES).
AND THE DESTRUCTION OF THE FAITH OF THE SEVEN CENTER AT THE END OF THE SIXTH SEASON, WHICH IN REPRESENTS CHRISTIANITY, PORTENDS INDIRECTLY THE EXPECTATION OF THE OCCULTISTS FOR THE END OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH AND THE RISE IN THESE POSITION OF A NEW, UNIFIED FROM ALL RELIGIONS RELIGION, WHICH WILL FULLY OBEY THE ULTIMATE RULER (A PROMOTION OF SYNCRETISM AND ECUMENISM).
AND THE FINAL LEADER OF THE SEVEN KINGDOMS, AND AT THE SAME TIME THE HEAD OF THIS NEW RELIGION- CHURCH WOULD SEEM TO TOLERATE TO EVERY RELIGION, BUT IN REALITY OR WILL SUPPORT ONLY IN PRACTICE ONLY ONE OF THEM, OR WILL SAY TO THE COMMONERS OF THE KINGDOMS "DO NOT CARE WHAT THESE RELIGIONS ARE SAYING, UNTIL ALL OF THEM AND YOU OBEY PERFECTLY ONLY TO ME" (WHILE SOME OF THEM WILL PROMOTED HIM AS DIVINE FIGURE EG. AZOR AKHAI), LEAVING INDIRECTLY INDICATED WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO ANY FAITH AND WHOEVER HUMAN WHO DO NOT FULLY COMPLY TO THE RULER ORDERS, EVEN IF THEY DO NOT AGREE WITH HIS BELIEFS.
ESSENTIALLY MARTIN IN NOVELS ADVOCATES (LIKE THE PRODUCERS OF THE SERIES) THAT ALL WARS WILL BE SOLVED ONLY IF ALL PEOPLES OF WESTEROS (AND REAL-WORLD) PUT ASIDE ALL THEIR NATIONAL AND RELIGIOUS DIFFERENCES AND UNITE UNDER THE BANNER -RULE OF A PRESTIGIOUS LEADER, WHO WILL NOT ONLY DEFEAT ALL THE BAD GUYS AND SOLVE THE PROBLEMS, BUT MAINLY WILL BE PERMANENTLY STOP AND THE THREAT OF OTHERS MONSTROUS.ReplyDelete
THE OTHERS, WHO THREATEN THE EXISTENCE OF THE WORLD OF WESTEROS ITSELF, ARE STRONGLY REMINISCENT OF THE BLUE BEAM PROJECT PROGRAM (HTTP://WWW.BIBLIOTECAPLEYADES.NET/SOCIOPOLITICA/ESP_SOCIOPOL_BLUEBEAM01.HTM), WITH THEIR ''MAKING'' OF CHILDREN FOREST "OTHERS" IN THE PLACE OF "MAKING" BY CONSPIRATORS OF THE FALSE ALIENS IN THE PROGRAM.
AT THE END OF THE EXPECTED LEADER WILL ESTABLISH THE ABSOLUTE REIGN OF PEACE AND PROSPERITY IN THIS WORLD (WITH BLOOD AND FIRE), EXTERMINATING THE OLD ORDER AND CREATING A NEW ONE (AS DAENARYS SAYS IN THE TV SERIES THOSE WHO WILL NOT ACCEPT THIS NEW ORDER WILL DIE WITH OLD ONE).
GENERALLY WE SHOULD BE CAUTIOUS WITH MARTIN IF WE DO NOT WANT TO BECOME OBSESSED WITH HIS IDEAS. HE PROMOTERS NOT ONLY SYNCRETISM AND ECUMENICAL IDEAS (ALL RELIGIONS ARE THE SAME, NO DIFFERENCE, THEY CAN ALL BE FALSE) AND IDEAS STRONGLY INFLUENCED BY THE OCCULTISM.
THE FOLLOWING TEXT WILL CITE SEVERAL TEXTS FROM CHRISTIANITY, WHICH INSPIRED MARTIN ON THE CREATION OF ITS HEROES, TAKING THEIR NEGATIVE CHARACTERS OF THESE TEXTS AND PRESENTING THEM AS HEROES (AS HE MAKES IN NORWEGIAN MYTHOLOGY- HTTP://GAMEOFTHRONESANDNORSEMYTHOLOGY.BLOGSPOT.GR/2013/05/RAGNAROK-SONG-OF-ICE-FIRE.HTML)
THE TEXTS THAT WILL BE ANALYZED CAME FROM THE REVELATION OF JOHN, THE VISIONS OF DANIEL, AND THE FINAL PROPHECY OF EZEKIEL. THE SELECTED TEXTS WILL BE PRESENTED WITH A FULL ANALYSIS OF THEIR TEXTS.
THE BEAST OUT OF THE SEA
13 THE DRAGON STOOD ON THE SHORE OF THE SEA. AND I SAW A BEAST COMING OUT OF THE SEA. IT HAD TEN HORNS AND SEVEN HEADS, WITH TEN CROWNS ON ITS HORNS, AND ON EACH HEAD A BLASPHEMOUS NAME (THE BEAST WITH SEVEN HEADS SYMBOLIZE THE KING OR QUEEN, WHO DOMINATES THE SEVEN HEADS OF THE KINGDOM, EG. THE SEVEN KINGDOMS, AND THE TEN HORNS-KINGS OR QUEENS PRESENT THEREIN-SEE FOR MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE FOLLOWING PAGES.
FIRSTLY THEY REPRESENT AEGON THE CONQUEROR, WHO HAS REALLY CAME FROM THE SEA, IN WESTEROS, HAS FACED 10 KINGS WITH GOOD OR BAD WAY-MARTEL, HOARE, DURANT, GARDENER, LANNISTER, ARRYN, STARK, BARATHEON, METALS, TYRREL-AND MADE THEM ACCEPT HIS AUTHORITY, FOUNDING THE KINGDOM, WHICH IS BASED ON SEVEN HEADS-KINGDOMS OF WESTEROS.ReplyDelete
IT SHOULD BE SAID THAT MARTIN LIKES TO REPEAT THE PAST OF WESTEROS, TO HIS BOOKS).
THEN IN THE SERIES THE BEAST WILL REPRESENT THE "NEW AEGON" THAT FOLLOWING A SIMILAR PATH TO THE FIRST ONE (AEGON THE CONQUEROR), WILL FINALLY SIT IN THE END TO THE BLOODY IRON THRONE. IN THE NEXT LINES THE POTENTIAL ELEMENTS THAT THIS PERSON ARE ANALYZED.
THE BEAST I SAW RESEMBLED A LEOPARD, BUT HAD FEET LIKE THOSE OF A BEAR (PRESUMABLY IT MEANS JORA MORMONT, LYANNA MORMONT MORMONT OR OTHERWISE THE WHOLE MORMONT FAMILY) AND A MOUTH LIKE THAT OF A LION (PROBABLY TYRION, LANNISTER, JAMIE, TCERSEI OR GENERALLY THE WHOLE LANNISTER FAMILY). THE DRAGON GAVE THE BEAST HIS POWER AND HIS THRONE AND GREAT AUTHORITY (DUE TO THE ORIGIN OR KINSHIP TO THIS RULER WITH THE RULING DYNASTY OF DRAGONS, THE TANGARYEN). ONE OF THE HEADS OF THE BEAST SEEMED TO HAVE HAD A FATAL WOUND, BUT THE FATAL WOUND HAD BEEN HEALED (HERE PROBABLY REPRESENTS A KINGDOM THAT ALMOST DISSOLVED DURING THE WAR OF FIVE KINGS, BUT IN THE END IT WAS MIRACULOUSLY RECONSTITUTED, PROBANLY THE STARKS AND ALSO POSSIBLY A RELATIVE MEMBER OF THEM WHICH WAS SLAUGHTERED BY HIS COMPANIONS, BUT FINALLY REVIVED CAUSING THE ADMIRATION OF HIS COMRADES AND THEIR DESIRE TO FOLLOW HIM, JOHN SNOW, WITHOUT EXCLUDING ANOTHER APPLICANTS, EG. THE YOUNG GRIFFIN AEGON THAT HE SEEMED TO HAVE RETURNED FROM THE DEADS-A CLOSER LOOK AT POTENTIAL APPLICANTS BELOW). THE WHOLE WORLD WAS FILLED WITH WONDER AND FOLLOWED THE BEAST (OF WESTEROS OR THE NORTH). PEOPLE WORSHIPED THE DRAGON BECAUSE HE HAD GIVEN AUTHORITY TO THE BEAST, AND THEY ALSO WORSHIPED THE BEAST AND ASKED, “WHO IS LIKE THE BEAST? WHO CAN WAGE WAR AGAINST IT?”
THE BEAST WAS GIVEN A MOUTH TO UTTER PROUD WORDS AND BLASPHEMIES AND TO EXERCISE ITS AUTHORITY FOR FORTY-TWO MONTHS. IT OPENED ITS MOUTH TO BLASPHEME GOD, AND TO SLANDER HIS NAME AND HIS DWELLING PLACE AND THOSE WHO LIVE IN HEAVEN. IT WAS GIVEN POWER TO WAGE WARAGAINST GOD’S HOLY PEOPLE AND TO CONQUER THEM. AND IT WAS GIVEN AUTHORITY OVER EVERY TRIBE, PEOPLE, LANGUAGE AND NATION (IT IS IM;LIES THAT THE ALMOST THE COMPLETE DOMINANCE THROUGHOUT THE SEVEN KINGDOMS REGION WILL SUBDUE TO HIM). ALL INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH WILL WORSHIP THE BEAST—ALL WHOSE NAMES HAVE NOT BEEN WRITTEN IN THE LAMB’S BOOK OF LIFE, THE LAMB WHO WAS SLAIN FROM THE CREATION OF THE WORLD.
WHOEVER HAS EARS, LET THEM HEAR.
“IF ANYONE IS TO GO INTO CAPTIVITY,
INTO CAPTIVITY THEY WILL GO.
IF ANYONE IS TO BE KILLED WITH THE SWORD,
WITH THE SWORD THEY WILL BE KILLED.”
THIS CALLS FOR PATIENT ENDURANCE AND FAITHFULNESS ON THE PART OF GOD’S PEOPLE.
THE BEAST OUT OF THE EARTHReplyDelete
11 THEN I SAW A SECOND BEAST, COMING OUT OF THE EARTH. IT HAD TWO HORNS LIKE A LAMB, BUT IT SPOKE LIKE A DRAGON (WITH SATANIC WORDS SAYINGS. THIS IS A PERSON WHO WITH WONDERFUL WORDS AND FALSE MIRACLES CONVINCES THE MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS WESTEROS TO FOLLOW THIS LEADER. IN THE TIME OF AEGON THE CONQUEROR THIS BEAST WOULD BE REPRESENTED BY THE HIGH SHEPTON WHO RECOGNIZED THE POWER AND MADE ALL HIS BELIEVERS TO FOLLOW HIM
IN THE TIME OF THE CROWN GAME COULD BE MELISANDRE, KINVARA OF THE TELEVISION SERIES, THE BENERRO OR MOCORRO OF THE BOOKS, THOROS OF MYR, EVEN THE HIGH SPARROW OR HIS SUCCESSOR, WHO WILL CROWN THE NEW WINNER OF THE IRON THRONE RULER OF SEVEN KINGDOMS LIKE THE HIGH SEPTON DURNIS AEGON THE CONQUEROR ERA).
IT EXERCISED ALL THE AUTHORITY OF THE FIRST BEAST ON ITS BEHALF, AND MADE THE EARTH AND ITS INHABITANTS WORSHIP THE FIRST BEAST, WHOSE FATAL WOUND HAD BEEN HEALED. AND IT PERFORMED GREAT SIGNS, EVEN CAUSING FIRE TO COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN TO THE EARTH IN FULL VIEW OF THE PEOPLE (HERE SEEMS ABLE TO SPEAK TO A PRIEST OR PRIESTESS OF THE FIRE IS NOT COMPLETELY SURE). BECAUSE OF THE SIGNS IT WAS GIVEN POWER TO PERFORM ON BEHALF OF THE FIRST BEAST, IT DECEIVED THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH. IT ORDERED THEM TO SET UP AN IMAGE IN HONOR OF THE BEAST WHO WAS WOUNDED BY THE SWORD AND YET LIVED. 15 THE SECOND BEAST WAS GIVEN POWER TO GIVE BREATH TO THE IMAGE OF THE FIRST BEAST, SO THAT THE IMAGE COULD SPEAK AND CAUSE ALL WHO REFUSED TO WORSHIP THE IMAGE TO BE KILLED. 16 IT ALSO FORCED ALL PEOPLE, GREAT AND SMALL, RICH AND POOR, FREE AND SLAVE, TO RECEIVE A MARK ON THEIR RIGHT HANDS OR ON THEIR FOREHEADS, 17 SO THAT THEY COULD NOT BUY OR SELL UNLESS THEY HAD THE MARK, WHICH IS THE NAME OF THE BEAST OR THE NUMBER OF ITS NAME.
THIS CALLS FOR WISDOM. LET THE PERSON WHO HAS INSIGHT CALCULATE THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST, FOR IT IS THE NUMBER OF A MAN. THAT NUMBER IS 666 (666- IF THE FIRST BEAST REPRESENTS JOHN SNOW, THIS NUMBER MAY COME IN STRANGE MANNER. IN PARTICULAR JOHN SNOW IS 998 COMMANDER NIGHT WATCH. BUT HE WAS ASSASSINATED AND IN TURN A PROVISIONAL SUCCESSOR, ALISTER THORNE TAKE HIS PLACE (UNTIL THE NEW GOVERNOR ELECTION). BUT JOHN SNOW RELIVES, RETURNS AND RETAKES THE POSITION GOVERNOR, BEING TECHNICALLY BOTH THE 998TH COMMANDER, (BUT WHILE HE DIED HE CEASED ALSO TO BE) AND 999TH COMMANDER OF THE GUARD (HAVING LIVED AGAIN AS A YOUNG MAN AND COMMANDER), ALBEIT BRIEFLY, BEFORE LEAVING AND HAND OVER HIS MANTLE ON DOLLOROUS EDD, AS A REPLACEMENT WITHOUT MAKING AN ELECTION. IF WE TURN UPSIDE DOWN THE NUMBER OF THE 998TH AND 999TH COMMANDER JOHN WHAT NUMBER COMES? SEE DETAILS HERE HTTPS://WWW.QUORA.COM/ARE-THERE-ANY-HIDDEN- MEANINGS-IN-THE-GAME-OF-THRONES).
BABYLON, THE PROSTITUTE ON THE BEAST
17 ONE OF THE SEVEN ANGELS WHO HAD THE SEVEN BOWLS CAME AND SAID TO ME, “COME, I WILL SHOW YOU THE PUNISHMENT OF THE GREAT PROSTITUTE, WHO SITS BY MANY WATERS. WITH HER THE KINGS OF THE EARTH COMMITTED ADULTERY, AND THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH WERE INTOXICATED WITH THE WINE OF HER ADULTERIES.”
QUIZ: TO WHOM FAMOUS TELEVISION CHARACTER OF THE GAME OF THRONES TV SERIES DOES THIS TEXT REFERS TO?
ANSWER: ON MELISANDRE
THEN THE ANGEL CARRIED ME AWAY IN THE SPIRIT INTO A WILDERNESS. THERE I SAW A WOMAN SITTING ON A SCARLET BEAST THAT WAS COVERED WITH BLASPHEMOUS NAMES AND HAD SEVEN HEADS AND TEN HORNS. THE WOMAN WAS DRESSED IN PURPLE AND SCARLET, AND WAS GLITTERING WITH GOLD, PRECIOUS STONES AND PEARLS. SHE HELD A GOLDEN CUP IN HER HAND, FILLED WITH ABOMINABLE THINGS AND THE FILTH OF HER ADULTERIES.
QUIZ: WHICH WOMAN IN THE V SERIES GAME OF THRONES IS USUALLY DRESSED IN RED, AND ADORNED WITH GOLD AND PRECIOUS STONES AND PEARLS, HAVING A GOLDEN CUP IN HER HEAD? WHICH ENJOYS AND GETS DRUNK WITH THE BLOOD OF THE SAINTS AND WITH THE BLOOD OF ITS ENEMIES-WITNESSES?ReplyDelete
FIRST ANSWER: MELISANDRE
SECOND ANSWER: CERSEI
CERTAINLY IN THE SEVEN SEASON OF THE SERIES THERE IS A CHANCE TO HAVE AND COOPERATION BETWEEN THESE TWO LADIES IN THE CAPITAL OF THE SEVEN KINGDOMS, SO IN SUCH A CASE CAN THE TEXT BE REFERRED TO BOTH OF THEM SIMULTANEOUSLY.
THE NAME WRITTEN ON HER FOREHEAD WAS A MYSTERY:
BABYLON THE GREAT
THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH (THIS NAME SYMBOLIZES THE CITY THAT EXERTS IT’S SOVEREIGNTY, IT’S VIOLENT, AND IMMORAL WAYS WITH THE LIFE OF IT’S THE RULERS-SEE HTTP: // ILLUMINATIWATCHER.COM/ONE-BIG-OCCULT-SECRET-YOU-DIDNT-NOTICE-ON-GAME-OF-THRONES/).
I SAW THAT THE WOMAN WAS DRUNK WITH THE BLOOD OF GOD’S HOLY PEOPLE, THE BLOOD OF THOSE WHO BORE TESTIMONY TO JESUS.
WHEN I SAW HER, I WAS GREATLY ASTONISHED. THEN THE ANGEL SAID TO ME: “WHY ARE YOU ASTONISHED? I WILL EXPLAIN TO YOU THE MYSTERY OF THE WOMAN AND OF THE BEAST SHE RIDES, WHICH HAS THE SEVEN HEADS AND TEN HORNS. THE BEAST, WHICH YOU SAW, ONCE WAS (AEGON THE CONQUEROR), NOW IS NOT (THE TANGARYEN DYNASTY), AND YET WILL COME UP OUT OF THE ABYSS AND GO TO ITS DESTRUCTION (IT WILL RETURN AS A NEW "AEGON THE CONQUEROR " THE ULTIMATE WINNER GAME OF THRONES SERIES, AS A MEMBER OR HAVING ANAFFINITY WITH TANGKARYEN DYNASTY). THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH WHOSE NAMES HAVE NOT BEEN WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE CREATION OF THE WORLD WILL BE ASTONISHED WHEN THEY SEE THE BEAST, BECAUSE IT ONCE WAS, NOW IS NOT, AND YET WILL COME.
“THIS CALLS FOR A MIND WITH WISDOM. THE SEVEN HEADS ARE SEVEN HILLS ON WHICH THE WOMAN SITS (THE 7 MOUNTAINS HERE SYMBOLIZE THE SEVEN KINGDOMS THAT ABOVE THEM SITS THE STATE CAPITAL AND DOMINATES-SEE FOR FURTHER ANALYSIS THE FOLLOWING SUBSEQUENT PAGES). THEY ARE ALSO SEVEN KINGS. FIVE HAVE FALLEN (KINGS WITH REAL POWER ARE BEING REFERRED HERE-PROBABLY THE TEXT ISTALKING ABOUT MEN) • FIVE ARE FALLEN (THE FIVE KINGS OF THE FIVE KINGS WAR), ONE IS (TOMMEN), THE OTHER HAS NOT YET COME; BUT WHEN HE DOES COME, HE MUST REMAIN FOR ONLY A LITTLE WHILE (THE YOUNG GRIFF AEGON IN THE BOOKS AND PROBABLY THE EURON IN THE SHOW, ALTHOUGH PARADOXICALLY, GREITZOY ARE BEING RECOGNIZED AS KINGS, THEIR KINGDOM WAS NEVER ONE OF THE SEVEN SOVEREIGN KINGDOMS OF WESTEROS, WHICH IS COMPOSED OF THE STARK-TALLY-ARRYN LANNISTER-BARATHEON-TYRREL-MARTEL). THE BEAST WHO ONCE WAS, AND NOW IS NOT, IS AN EIGHTH KING. HE BELONGS TO THE SEVEN AND IS GOING TO HIS DESTRUCTION (THE POTENTIAL NEW OCCUPIER AND HEIR TO THE IRON THRONE WILL PROBABLY DESCENDED FROM ONE OF THE COMPETING ROYAL HOUSES. IT COULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, JOHN SNOW, THE AEGON IN BOOKS, DAENARYS, STANNIS OR EVEN THE LITTLEFINGER-THOUGH HE DOESN’T NOBLE BIRTH).
“THE TEN HORNS YOU SAW ARE TEN KINGS WHO HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED A KINGDOM, BUT WHO FOR ONE HOUR WILL RECEIVE AUTHORITY AS KINGS ALONG WITH THE BEAST (ROBB-BALON-STANNIS-JOFFRY-RENLY-TOMMEN-EURON-CERSEI-VISERYS-DAENARYS WHICH COINCIDES WITH THE AEGON FROM THE BOOKS -TZON SNOWE, IN THE "HOUR" OF THE LONG AND STILL ONGOING WAR OF THE GAME OF THRONES). THEY HAVE ONE PURPOSE AND WILL GIVE THEIR POWER AND AUTHORITY TO THE BEAST (TO BE SUCCUMB IN IT, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM AS SEEN FROM DANIEL'S PROPHECY SAYS). THEY WILL WAGE WAR AGAINST THE LAMB, BUT THE LAMB WILL TRIUMPH OVER THEM BECAUSE HE IS LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS—AND WITH HIM WILL BE HIS CALLED, CHOSEN AND FAITHFUL FOLLOWERS.”
THEN THE ANGEL SAID TO ME, “THE WATERS YOU SAW, WHERE THE PROSTITUTE SITS, ARE PEOPLES, MULTITUDES, NATIONS AND LANGUAGES (IT SHOWS THE GREAT POWER THAT THIS CITY TO HAS ALL THE PEOPLE OF WESTEROS-SEE BELOW WHICH CITY IT IS). THE BEAST AND THE TEN HORNS YOU SAW WILL HATE THE PROSTITUTE (ALMOST ALL KINGS CANDIDATES FOR THIS POSITION HATE BOTH MELISANDRE AND CERSEI). THEY WILL BRING HER TO RUIN AND LEAVE HER NAKED; THEY WILL EAT HER FLESH AND BURN HER WITH FIRE (IT MEANS THAT THE NEW OCCUPIER OF THE GREAT CITY OF THE SEVEN KINGDOMS WILL DESTROY IT, WITH THE HELP OF HIS SUBJUGATED LEADERS-KINGS, AND ALSO 'PERHAPS THROUGH WITH A LITTLE ''HELP'' OF IT’S CITY MAD QUEEN WHO WANTS TO BURN THE WHOLE CITY IN TIME OF DANGER). FOR GOD HAS PUT IT INTO THEIR HEARTS TO ACCOMPLISH HIS PURPOSE BY AGREEING TO HAND OVER TO THE BEAST THEIR ROYAL AUTHORITY, UNTIL GOD’S WORDS ARE FULFILLED. THE WOMAN YOU SAW IS THE GREAT CITYTHAT RULES OVER THE KINGS OF THE EARTH.”ReplyDelete
QUIZ: WHICH CITY IN THE TV SERIES OF GAME OF THRONES HAS KINGSHIP OVER THE KINGS AND THE LANDS OF WESTEROS?
ANSWER: THE KING'S LANDING
LAMENT OVER FALLEN BABYLON
18 AFTER THIS I SAW ANOTHER ANGEL COMING DOWN FROM HEAVEN. HE HAD GREAT AUTHORITY, AND THE EARTH WAS ILLUMINATED BY HIS SPLENDOR. WITH A MIGHTY VOICE HE SHOUTED:
“‘FALLEN! FALLEN IS BABYLON THE GREAT!
SHE HAS BECOME A DWELLING FOR DEMONS
AND A HAUNT FOR EVERY IMPURE SPIRIT,
A HAUNT FOR EVERY UNCLEAN BIRD,
A HAUNT FOR EVERY UNCLEAN AND DETESTABLE ANIMAL (BY THE RISE IN POWER MAINLY OF CERSEI AND THE IUSE OF NECROMANCY AND OTHER DARK ARTS QUBURN OR EVEN MELISANDRE AND HER RED DEMON THAT SHE FOLLOWS AS GOD, ACCORDING TO THE HIGH SPARROW, ESPECIALLY IF SHE COMES IN SOME WAY TO KING'S LANDING AND "HELP" THE SAME AS SHE DID THE STANNIS IN DRAGONSTONE, CERSEI IN THE ''GOOD GOVERNACE'' OF THE SEVEN KINGDOM'S CAPITAL).
FOR ALL THE NATIONS (OF WESTEROS) HAVE DRUNK
THE MADDENING WINE OF HER ADULTERIES.
THE KINGS OF THE EARTH COMMITTED ADULTERY WITH HER (EG. STANNIS WITH MELISANDRE),
AND THE MERCHANTS OF THE EARTH GREW RICH FROM HER EXCESSIVE LUXURIES (THE IRON BANK OF BRAAVOS).”
WARNING TO ESCAPE BABYLON’S JUDGMENT
THEN I HEARD ANOTHER VOICE FROM HEAVEN SAY:
“‘COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE,’
SO THAT YOU WILL NOT SHARE IN HER SINS,
SO THAT YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE ANY OF HER PLAGUES; FOR HER SINS ARE PILED UP TO HEAVEN,
AND GOD HAS REMEMBERED HER CRIMES. GIVE BACK TO HER AS SHE HAS GIVEN;
PAY HER BACK DOUBLE FOR WHAT SHE HAS DONE.
POUR HER A DOUBLE PORTION FROM HER OWN CUP. GIVE HER AS MUCH TORMENT AND GRIEF
AS THE GLORY AND LUXURY SHE GAVE HERSELF.
IN HER HEART SHE BOASTS,
‘I SIT ENTHRONED AS QUEEN.
I AM NOT A WIDOW
I WILL NEVER MOURN.’
QUIZ: IN WHICH QUEEN OF THE THE ABOVE CITY DOES THE TEXT REFERS HERE?ReplyDelete
ANSWER: TO CERSEI
THEREFORE IN ONE DAY HER PLAGUES WILL OVERTAKE HER:
DEATH, MOURNING AND FAMINE.
SHE WILL BE CONSUMED BY FIRE,
FOR MIGHTY IS THE LORD GOD WHO JUDGES HER (THE POSSIBLE END OF KING'S LANDING IN THE VISIONS OF DAENARYS, AND BY THE PLANS OF CERSEI).
THE JUDGMENT OF SATAN
WHEN THE THOUSAND YEARS ARE OVER, SATAN WILL BE RELEASED FROM HIS PRISON (THE NIGHT'S KING WITH THE OTHERS WILL CROSS THE WALL) AND WILL GO OUT TO DECEIVE THE NATIONS IN THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH—GOG AND MAGOG—AND TO GATHER THEM FOR BATTLE. IN NUMBER THEY ARE LIKE THE SAND ON THE SEASHORE (THE OTHERS AND THE ARMY OF THE DEAD, WHICH WILL CONSIST OF DEAD OF MANY NATIONS, DUE TO THE MULTINATIONALITY BARBARIANS BEYOND WALL AND NIGHT WATCH MEMBERS). THEY MARCHED ACROSS THE BREADTH OF THE EARTH (THE DOMINATED LAND OF WESTEROS) AND SURROUNDED THE CAMP OF GOD’S PEOPLE, THE CITY HE LOVES (THE REMAINING TROOPS THAT WILL BE LEFT TO DEFEND THE KINGDOM FROM THE OTHERS, PROBABLY NEAR OR WITHIN THE REMAINING LARGEST AND CAPABLE FOR SIEGE CITY OF THE KINGDOM). BUT FIRE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN AND DEVOURED THEM (MOST LIKELY THROUGH THE DRAGONS IN THE FINAL BATTLE OF GOOD VERSUS EVIL, THAT CORRESPONDS TO THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON IN REVELATION).
IN CHAPTERS 38-39 OF EZEKIEL ALSO RELATED IN DETAIL THAT GOG WILL COME FROM THE EXTREME NORTH (LANDS OF ALWAYS WINTER OF GREAT FAR NORTH IN WESTEROS), HE WILL BE THE LEADER OF MANY NATIONS (THE OTHERS AND THE ARMY OF THE DEAD, WHICH WILL CONSIST OF DEADS OF MANY NATIONS BECAUSE OF MULTINATIONALITY BARBARIANS BEYOND THE WALL AND THE NIGHT WATCH MEMBERS), THAT HE WILL BE PREPARED FROM THE ANCIENT DAYS AND WILL COME IN THE FINAL (AS THE OTHERS ATTACKED ONCE IN THE WORLD AND WILL ATTACH AGAIN FOR THE FINAL TIME) WILL ATTACK ISRAEL, WHICH IS IN THE CENTER OF LAND (THE LAST CENTER OF DEFENCE OF WESTEROS PEOPLES, ESPECIALLY THE ANDALS, WHOSE STORY IS REMINISCENT TO THE ISRAELITES), AND THERE HE WILL BE WILL FINALLY DESTROYED BY FIRE (PROBABLY OF DRAGONS), EARTHQUAKES (AND IN THE BOOKS OF MARTIN IS REFERED IN VISIONS, THAT IN THE FINAL BATTLE WILL OCCUR HUGE GEOLOGICAL CHANGES IN THE WORLD), AND FINALLY THE WHOLE EARTH WILL BECOME A PARADISE AND THE «GOOD» WILL PREVAIL (AS WILL BE DONE IN THE LAST BOOK OF MARTIN).
THE PROPHECIES OF DANIEL
CHAPTER 7 AND 8
THE VISIONS OF FOUR BEAST AND THE VISION WITH THE RAM AND THE GOAT
IN DANIEL 7:3-4 DANIEL RECORDS, “AND FOUR GREAT BEASTS CAME UP FROM THE SEA, EACH DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER. THE FIRST WAS LIKE A LION, AND HAD EAGLE’S WINGS. I WATCHED TILL ITS WINGS WERE PLUCKED OFF; AND IT WAS LIFTED UP FROM THE EARTH AND MADE TO STAND ON TWO FEET LIKE A MAN, AND A MAN’S HEART WAS GIVEN TO IT.”
DANIEL 7:5 SAYS, “AND SUDDENLY ANOTHER BEAST, A SECOND, LIKE A BEAR. IT WAS RAISED UP ON ONE SIDE, AND HAD THREE RIBS IN ITS MOUTH BETWEEN ITS TEETH. AND THEY SAID THUS TO IT: ‘ARISE, DEVOUR MUCH FLESH!’”
DANIEL 7:6 SAYS, “AFTER THIS I LOOKED, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER, LIKE A LEOPARD, WHICH HAD ON ITS BACK FOUR WINGS OF A BIRD. THE BEAST ALSO HAD FOUR HEADS, AND DOMINION WAS GIVEN TO IT.”
NEXT IN DANIEL 7:7 WE READ, “AFTER THIS I SAW IN THE NIGHT VISIONS, AND BEHOLD, A FOURTH BEAST, DREADFUL AND TERRIBLE, EXCEEDINGLY STRONG. IT HAD HUGE IRON TEETH; IT WAS DEVOURING, BREAKING IN PIECES, AND TRAMPLING THE RESIDUE WITH ITS FEET. IT WAS DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE BEASTS THAT WERE BEFORE IT, AND IT HAD TEN HORNS.”
DANIEL 7:8 SAYS, “I WAS CONSIDERING THE HORNS, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER HORN (INITIALLY SMALL BUT HIS THE FORCE WAS CONSTANTLY GROWING THEN, USING VIOLENCE, FRAUD AND CHEATING EVERYBODY PRETENDING THAT IS GOOD. AT THE SAME TIME HE SAYS HE WILL BECOME VERY STRONG, BUT NOT BY HIS OWN POWER AND MANAGES EVERYTHING, AS IT BEING SEEMED IN DANIEL'S VISION WITH THE RAM AND THE GOAT IN DANIEL CHAPTER 8), A LITTLE ONE, COMING UP AMONG THEM, BEFORE WHOM THREE OF THE FIRST HORNS WERE PLUCKED OUT BY THE ROOTS. AND THERE, IN THIS HORN, WERE EYES LIKE THE EYES OF A MAN, AND A MOUTH SPEAKING POMPOUS WORDS.”ReplyDelete
THE VISION OF DANIEL 7 COULD NOT END WITH ANY GREATER NEWS: “THEN THE KINGDOM AND DOMINION, AND THE GREATNESS OF THE KINGDOMS UNDER THE WHOLE HEAVEN, SHALL BE GIVEN TO THE PEOPLE, THE SAINTS OF THE MOST HIGH. HIS KINGDOM IS AN EVERLASTING KINGDOM, AND ALL DOMINIONS SHALL SERVE AND OBEY HIM” (VERSE 27).
FIRST THE VISION REFERS TO AEGON THE CONQUEROS (THE LITTLE HORN) WHO CAME FROM THE SEA WITH HIS DRAGONS. HE RESPONDED (WITH GOOD OR BAD WAY) WITH 10 KINGS (MARTEL, HOAR, DURANDON, GARDENER, LANNISTER, ARRYN, STARK, BARATHEON, TULLY, TYRREL), KILLED THE THREE (THE HOAR, THE DURANDOM AND THE GARDENER) AND THERE HAVE OTHER SUBJUGATED TO HIS POWER (LANNISTER, ARRYN, STARK, BARATHEON, TULLY, TYRREL AND MARTEL FOR A SHORT TIME), CREATING THE SEVEN KINGDOMS (THAT ARE AND THE TOTAL THE HEADS OF THE BEASTS OF VISION).
AT THE SAME TIME AEGON, FORCE, WHICH WAS SMALL AT FIRST, CONSTANTLY INCREASED, WHILE HE USED FORCE AND FRAUD, CHEATING EVERYONE PRETENDING TO BE GOOD AND SHOWING TO ALL A FALSE MASK OF APPARENT MODERATION AND JUSTICE.
THE AEGKON WAS VERY STRONG, BUT NOT BY HIS OWN POWER (BUT THE POWER OF THE DRAGON THAT WAS THE RESULT OF MAGIC) AND MANAGED EVERYTHING YOU WANTED (TO BECOME KING IN WESTER).
IN TURN AND IN BOOKS, WHERE PAST EVENTS ARE REPEATED, IT SEEMS THAT WILL WE SEE TO SEE A NEW "AEGON THE CONQUEROR" (MAN OR WOMAN) TOGETHER (IN PARALLEL OR AFTER) WITH TEN OTHER KINGS, AND HE WILL KILL THREE OF THEM, UNITING ONCE AGAIN THE 7 KINGDOMS.
THE CANDIDATES FOR THIS POSITION ARE ENOUGH. FIRST WE MUST SAY THAT IN THE SERIES HAVE ALSO APPEARED TOTALY TEN KINGS UNTIL NOW(JOFFRY, ROBB, STANNIS, RENLY, BALON, EURON, TOMMEN, VISERYS, DAENARYS-IN TV SERIES SHE COINCIDED WITH THE YOUNG GRIFF AEGON, CERSEI, AND JOHN SNOW).
OF THESE, THREE HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED (BALON JOFFRY, ROBB) AND RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS IS ONE AT FIRST POWERLESS KING, WHO WAS THEN BECOMME VERY STRONG, BUT NOT BY HIS OWN POWER (THE STANNIS WITH MAGIC OF MELISANDRE) USING VIOLENCE AND FRAUD, CHEATING EVERYONE PRETENDING TO BE GOOD AND SHOWING TO ALL A FALSE MASK OF APPARENT JUSTICE.
IN THE BOOKS (BUT NOT IN TV SERIES) HE TRIES TO UNITE ONCE AGAIN THE SEVEN KINGDOMS UNDER HIS OWNLEADERSHIP OF (WILL HE MANAGED TO UNITE THE KINGDOMS EVEN FOR A SMALL TIME UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP? IN THE SIXTH BOOK MARTIN WILL SEE.
ANOTHER MAN WITH SIMILAR CHARACTERISTICS COULD BE AND LITTLEFINGER, WHO WITH HIS OWN ACTIONS IS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE JOFFRY’S DEATH, WITH THE HELP AND THE INFORMATION HELPED SIGNIFICALLAY TO ROBB'S DEATH, AND WITH HIS INTRIGUES AND FRAUDS IN TV SERIES, HE EXTERMINATED RAMSEY (WHICH HOWEVER IS NOT A KING. MAYBE IN THE SEVEN SEASON OF THE SERIES HE WILL TRY TO KILL THE KING OF THE NORTH JOHN SNOW AND THE "GET HIS POSITION").
AND HE (THE LITTLE HORN-LITTLEFINGER) WAS INITIALLY HELPLESS, BUT IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE FIRST YEARS OF THE WAR HE HAS BECOME VERY STRONG, BUT NOT BY HIS OWN POWER (NOT BY MILITARY POWER, BUT THANKS TO HIS INTRIGUES AND THE GENEROUS REWARD OF LANNISTERS).
HE USED VIOLENCE AND FRAUD, AND DECEIVED EVERYBODY PRETENDING TO BE GOOD AND SHOWING TO ALL A FALSE MASK OF APPARENT MODERATION (IN THE FIRST SEASON) AND HE IS NOW TRYING TO UNITE THE SEVEN KINGDOMS UNDER HIS OWN LEADERSHIP (THE KING IN THE ASHES AT THE HEAVY).
THE THIRD CANDIDATE IS JOHN SNOW. AND HE WAS INITIALLY HELPLESS, BUT IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE FIRST YEARS OF THE WAR HE HAS BECOME VERY POWERFUL, YET ELECTED KING OF THE NORTH, BUT NOT BY HIS OWN POWER (BUT FROM THE NORTHERN ARISTOCRATS), USING FORCE WHEN IT WAS NECESSARY, SHOWING THAT HE WAS GOOD WITH A MASK OF APPARENT JUSTICE (ALTHOUGH IN THE TELEVISION SERIES HIS CHARACTER APPEARS SLOWLY, SLOWLY CHANGING TO THE HARDER, RUTHLESS AND EVIL).ReplyDelete
HE IS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EXTERMINATION OF RAMSEY (WHO WAS NOT A KING), INDIRECTLY FOR THE ELIMINATION OF THE "KING OVER THE WALL" MANCE RYDER (THE TV SERIES) BY THE LETTER HE SENT TO STANNIS FOR HELP, WHILE IN THE SEVEN SEASON, NEW GAMES SEEM TO AWAIT FOR HIM AND PERHAPS HE WILL KILL OTHER KINGS NAD IN THE FUTURE HE WILL PROBABLY TRY TO UNITE THE SEVEN KINGDOMS UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP (WHEN HE WILL LEARN HIS ORIGIN, AND ALSO THE RIGHTS HE HAS TO THE THRONE).
MUCH LESS LIKELY TO HAVE OTHER CANDIDATES FOR THE FINAL WINNERS IN GAME OF THRONES, SUCH AS AEGON, DAENARYS, CERSEI, EURON (ALTHOUGH THE LAST THREE HAVE SHOWN CORRESPONDING BRUTALITY AND CUNNING AND HAVE ALSO MURDERED OTHER KINGS).
IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT WHEN EPHRAIM THE SYRIAN, THE EXPECTED PRINCE OF DESTRUCTION (THE LITTLE HORN-KING IN THE NORTH-THE CHRISTIAN ANTICHRIST) WHICH IS BEING REFERRED TO ALL THE ABOVE TEXTS OF THE BIBLE, WILL BE BORN FROM PROSTITUTION, A UNION OUTSIDE MARRIAGE (ILLEGITIMATE-BASTARD), A THEORY THAT IF IS BEING USED IN TV SERIES, IS PHOTOGRAPHING A SINGLE MAIN CHARACTER SERIES.
QUESTION: WHO IS THIS CHARACTER?
ANSWER: JOHN SNOW
FROM EVERYTHING HAS MENTIONED ABOVE, IT IS CLEAR THAT MARTIN HAS USED SEVERAL REPORTS FROM CHRISTIANITY, THE MYTHOLOGY AND MYSTICISM IN HIS BOOKS (LIKE THE TV SERIES), AND THAT IN ORDER TO FOLLOW THE TV SERIES WE SHOULD BE VERY CAREFUL AND HAVE A CRITICALLY LOOK TO HIS BOOKS, IF WE NOT WANT TO BE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED BECAUSE AS LITTLEFINGER SAYS IN THE SERIES "KNOWLEDGE IS POWER."
THAT IS MY REASARCH AND THEORIES. THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND I HOPE NOT TO BOTHER YOU. I HOPE YOU DO NOT HAVE HEADTACHES, BUT I COULD NOT FIND ANY OTHER WAY TO SEND YOU MY TEXTS. I HOPE THAT YOU WILL FIND THEM INTERESTING (PLEASE IF YOU CAN TELL ME YOUR OPININON). I AM REALLY GLAD THAT YOU ARE BACK AND I AM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD FOR A NEW ONE NEW AND GREAT AS IS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALL OF YOUR ARTICLES.YOU ARE REALLY MAKING A FANTASTIC WORK. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR GREAT ENTERTAIMENT AND KNOWLEDGE YOU GAVE TO EVERYONE AND I REALLY WISH TO HAVE ALWAYS GREAT FUN. GOOD DAY AND CONTINUE UNSTOPABLE YOUR GREAT WORK.ReplyDelete
TSAVARAS THE HISTORIAN
NEW THEORIES ABOUT GAME OF THRONES AND BOOK OF REVELATION CONNECTIONReplyDelete
TSAVARAS THE HISTORIAN
The Woman and the Dragon
12 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth (Probably symbolizes Lyanna Stark in the series).
Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads.
(Probably symbolizes a person with dragon's blood (due to his grandmother, a Targaryen), which wants to destroy all the offspring of the dragon dynasty and is also a follower of the faith of 7, the 7 gods-heads, namely Robert Baratheon).
Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born.
(A baby who is planned to be killed in the book of Revelation is also being identified with the heavenly warrior (Revelation 19-The Heavenly Warrior Defeats the Beast) and winner of the battle of Armageddon-in Game of Thrones tv series this baby is John Snow who is also probably being identified with the heavenly warrior of Revelation-and final winner of the series-while in turn he is also being merged with the first beast-666, although some other theorists believe that the heavenly warrior symbolizes another man like Jamie or Daenerys with their white horses. Of course we must not forget that the series are representing as good and wronged, in reality very bad characters, by giving them exact the opposite image that they have in reality).
She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”
(Probably is being identified with the final winner of the series).
And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.
(Probably the snatching of the child to the God symbolizes the "grabbing" of John Snow by Ned Stark's in his throne-kingdom, to protect him until King Robert's death).
When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle (probably the two wings symbolizing the two guardians of Lyanna Stark in the series, Arthur Dayne and Gerold Hightower), so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness (possibly identified with the secluded (and in a desert, location
of the «Tower of Joy», where were transferred for their the security, the baby John Snow and Lyanna Stark), where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.
Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.ReplyDelete
(The water may symbolizing the troops that have been sent by Robert to find Lyanna Stark).
Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
(The seven is a sacred number in all the Bible, as in it’s last book, the Revelation of John. So we have the seven days of creation, the seven seals, the seven vials, the Lamb with seven eyes and horns, the seven trumpets , the seven Archangels, the seven lamped Menorah, the seven headed red dragon, the seven headed beast of sea, the seven deadly sins, the seven rounds of Jericho, the seven days of the week and the seven virtues of the Holy Spirit-We must also not forget that the producers of the series have Israeli origin, so they are using many of the elements of their faith and culture in this series).
The Two Witnesses
(The two prophets that have preached and then killed viciously maybe in the Tv series are represented in the tv series by Beric Dondarion and Thoros of Myr).
The (two horned Beast) out of the Earth (one more theory)
Some people assume that the two horned beast of revelation also symbolizes (expect of a high priest-prophet of a westerosi or not religion) someone wearing a two horned helmet in game of thrones tv series, like Gendry with his two horned bull helmet or the two horned helmet of Jorah Mormont in the books).
uffff it very long article but informative for fan of Game Of Thrones Season 7ReplyDelete
please update this!! with the last episode (season 7 ep 4), your theory fits even better and chronologically. oberyn was killed, bran trained with the 3ER, and jaime was just seen drowning in the lake. and remembering what we know about the iron islands drowning their king so he can be born again... jamie will literally be born again from salt (the saltwater) and smoke (smoke from the dragon fire)ReplyDelete
Pretty obvious now that Jaime is Azor Ahai with Cersei being pregnant etc. To save humanity he will have to kill Cersei and his unborn child just as it is written.ReplyDelete
*Claps* Well played, sir, well played. He called it back in 2013. Well played indeed.ReplyDelete
Getting much more obvious now that we are in season 8ReplyDelete